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Alexander Liptak
 
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19 November 2013 15:01
 

Those arms seem pretty simple, just a lot of frivolous wording to get to the final depiction. The first and fourth quarters are azure with a lion rampant or holding its tail in one hand and a silver crown in the other. The second and third quarters are gules with a silver crown.

Though I am not sure what the last bit adds up to, "The second form of the family is a quergetheilter sign in the upper blue field a golden sheaf of corn, the lower red field bergmännsicher a hammer and mallet, placed in the form of a St. Andrew’s Cross and also a silver Salzküffel." Are these to be brisures?

 
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19 November 2013 18:33
 

Alexander Liptak wrote:

Are these to be brisures?


Sound like charges to me?

 

quergeteilt = divided transversely

 

bergmännischer = Miner

 

Salzküffel = salt cellar [from a diminutive of Middle High German kuofe ‘vat’, ‘barrel’.]

 

 

Perhaps "Per fess azure a corn sheaf Or and gules a miner’s hammer and mallet argent" ... dunno where to place the salt cellar.

 

Or would that blazon be "Per fess Azure and Gules, in chief a corn garb Or and in base a miner’s hammer and mallet Argent crossed in saltire…" same question to the placement in base of the salt cellar Argent.

 

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20 November 2013 22:25
 

As most appropriate to the family in question, these blazons - or at least the Google versions - are tortured nearly to death…

And given my largely unsuccessful efforts to narrow down a Google-generated seven-digit list of largely irrelevant references (on different topics), I’d say the Google gremlins might be illegitimate descendants of the same family…

 
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26 April 2014 17:41
 

Got another one for our Latinists.

Ubi spiritus et verbum ibi vera libertas

 

I think that means “Where the spirit and the word are, there is true liberty,” but wanted to double-check.

 

Thanks.

 
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26 April 2014 18:58
 

That’s how I would translate it.

It is similar in construct to the hymn "Ubi Caritas Et Amor, Deus Ibi Est" - translated as "Where there is charity and love, there is God".

 
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27 April 2014 23:32
 

Yep, that’d be my reading of it as well.

 
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18 June 2014 11:30
 

Got another one:  Quæ teneamus perdimus, quæ demus nobis sunt.

It’s the motto of St. Catherine’s School in Richmond, Virginia.

 
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18 June 2014 17:22
 

Joseph McMillan;102158 wrote:

Got another one:  Quæ teneamus perdimus, quæ demus nobis sunt.

It’s the motto of St. Catherine’s School in Richmond, Virginia.


Literal: "The things we might hold we lose, the things we might give are ours" [lit: ‘to us,’ but in Latin there is a dative of possession].

 

Better English: "What we keep we lose; only what we give remains our own."

 
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18 June 2014 19:07
 

Thanks very much.  Not quite Luke 9:24 or 12:48, but much the same idea.

 
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