Arms of 19th-Century New Yorkers

 
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07 January 2016 11:04
 

On the cover of his 1890 book, Society as I Have Found It, Ward McAllister (1827-1895) appears to have displayed his crest as a badge in the Scottish form. An image is attached. I have not seen the full achievement though.

In an 1893 opinionated editorial on the need for a governing heraldic authority in the US, he mentioned arms used by Col. Herman Thorne (1783-1859) and A. Gordon Hamersley (1807-1883), both of New York. I haven’t seen their arms and wonder if anyone has.

 
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07 January 2016 14:54
 

JJB;105349 wrote:

On the cover of his 1890 book, Society as I Have Found It, Ward McAllister (1827-1895) appears to have displayed his crest as a badge in the Scottish form. An image is attached. I have not seen the full achievement though.

Jeffry

What would appear to be the full achievement can be seen on the cover of a scan of the book hosted by archive.org,

 

https://archive.org/stream/societyasihavef01macagoog#page/n0/mode/2up

 
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07 January 2016 17:49
 

Here’s a caricature of the author. Note the poster on the wall :D

 
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07 January 2016 21:50
 

Not Ward McAllister’s arms, but those of the chief of MacDonald of Sleat.  The MacAllisters (by various spellings) are a branch of Clan Donald, but there are separate chiefly arms.  You’d think if McAllister was going to pirate something, he’d pirate the arms of his own name.  But perhaps the arms of MacAlistair of the Loup weren’t grand enough.  They’re not quartered, and a professional snob like McAllister would certainly crave fancier arms over simpler ones.

 
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07 January 2016 22:20
 

JJB;105349 wrote:

In an 1893 opinionated editorial on the need for a governing heraldic authority in the US, he mentioned arms used by Col. Herman Thorne (1783-1859) and A. Gordon Hamersley (1807-1883), both of New York. I haven’t seen their arms and wonder if anyone has.


Matthews American Armoury attributes the arms "Gules three ram’s heads couped Or" to William Hamersley (1687-1752), a Royal Navy officer who settled in New York in 1716.  Bolton reports a memorial tablet to William Hamersley with these arms on it at the NEHGS headquarters in Boston.

 

Bolton also cites a memorial tablet to Andrew Hamersley (d. 1819) in New York’s Trinity Church, with "Gules a chevron between three hammers Or."

 

Nothing in any of my sources (Vermont, Bolton, Zieber, Crozier, Matthews) about arms of anyone named Thorne.

 
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07 January 2016 23:44
 

Joseph McMillan;105354 wrote:

Nothing in any of my sources (Vermont, Bolton, Zieber, Crozier, Matthews) about arms of anyone named Thorne.


I think I made a mistake and it’s supposed to be spelled Thorn, without the silent e; if that makes a difference.

 

Thanks all for the rest of the information.

 
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08 January 2016 00:09
 

MohamedHossam;105352 wrote:

Here’s a caricature of the author. Note the poster on the wall :D


That’s brilliant. I knew McAllister was ridiculed by the press and by visiting Europeans, but this says it all. The "Take your choice" on the coat of arms poster is great. And the caption at the bottom of the cartoon is hilarious. Journalists were funny in those days.

 
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08 January 2016 09:27
 

JJB;105355 wrote:

I think I made a mistake and it’s supposed to be spelled Thorn, without the silent e; if that makes a difference.

Thanks all for the rest of the information.


I didn’t find any Thorns either.  Thorndikes and Thorntons, but no Thorns or Thornes.