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24 September 2011 14:47
 

A bucket-shop selling generic "American family coats of arms" has the Vanderbilt coat of arms rendered as Sable, an eagle displayed Argent:

http://www.armsandbadges.com/Showthumb.ashx?ThumbID=2748d089-b3ae-464b-948f-45803a6f38eb

 

No idea if this is derived from a historical armorial blazon, or if it is simply based on the eagle in the coat of arms borne by Cornelius Vanderbilt’s descendants.

 

They also have the actual arms borne by the family of Cornelius Vanderbilt listed under "Bilt (Van der)":

 

http://www.armsandbadges.com/Showthumb.ashx?ThumbID=51a3f0c5-6af1-4ace-b32f-a12460a6e106

 

http://www.armsandbadges.com/browse.aspx?List=e360fac1-2889-4cee-9eef-1673f7858671

 
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24 September 2011 15:04
 

Assuming the Vanderbilt blazon was in fact devised ex nihilo by Mrs. Cornelius II, she deserves credit for coming up with a tasteful design. I wonder if she wasn’t working from some kind of source material from the distaff lines of the family, though, or basing the arms on those of an individual with the same surname and differencing to show indeterminate relation.

 
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24 September 2011 15:11
 

Fred White;87894 wrote:

Assuming the Vanderbilt blazon was in fact devised ex nihilo by Mrs. Cornelius II, she deserves credit for coming up with a tasteful design. I wonder if she wasn’t working from some kind of source material from the distaff lines of the family, though, or basing the arms on those of an individual with the same surname and differencing to show indeterminate relation.


I wonder if Vanderbilt or Bilt (Van der) shows up in any Dutch armorials, such as Johannes Rietstap’s Armorial General?

 
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Iain Boyd;87887 wrote:

Dear Richard,

The dexter half of the shield is not impaled but dimidiated - an early form of marshalling where two coats of arms are divided in half and then joined together. It was soon overtaken by impalement where the whole coat of arms were joined together.

 

There are quite a few Germanic coats of arms where only half an eagle appears.

 

The third quarter in Reginald Vanderbilt’s bookplate is very interesting - a shield on a shield in the quarter.

 

This probably was done so that the coronet could be displayed.

 

Regards,

 

Iain Boyd


Thank you Ian for explaining that for me.

 
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24 September 2011 18:09
 

While not pertaining specifically to the heraldry of the Vanderbilts, I did run across this interesting family tree showing the various descendants of Cornelius Vanderbilt, and some of the related lines:

http://www.periodpaper.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/8022f01105bea4edf676ba39d5976c14/F/T/FT3_017_1.JPG

 

I looked at an online version of Rietstap’s Armorial General that can be viewed on Google books and found that a blazon or blazons for the name Bilt (Van der) were listed (in French). One of the blazons includes an eagle displayed; though I couldn’t make out most of the descriptions as I don’t read French.

 
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25 September 2011 12:46
 

Caledonian;87897 wrote:

I looked at an online version of Rietstap’s Armorial General that can be viewed on Google books and found that a blazon or blazons for the name Bilt (Van der) were listed (in French). One of the blazons includes an eagle displayed; though I couldn’t make out most of the descriptions as I don’t read French.

There are heavily watermarked, but still legible, reproductions of Rietstap illustrations at

http://www.genealogie.com/v2/services-blasons/default.asp

Two of them are for Van der Bilt of Zeeland - according to Rietstap’s text, one is ‘ancient’ and the other is ‘modern’.  The ‘modern’ version is the same as the arms used by the American family.  The ‘ancient’ version has a housemark on a pale between the eagle and the acorns.

 
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26 September 2011 00:01
 

eploy;87881 wrote:

Does this mean that the more established New York families also had arms, and that a ‘new’ family without arms was somehow looked down upon among the established families? Weren’t most of these arms simply assumed anyway by such families as the van Rensselaers?


A new family was looked down upon by the old established families whether it had arms or not, and a new assumption of arms wouldn’t have changed matters.  The Vanderbilts were certainly seen as a "new" family in the late 19th century, although by the mid-20th a dose of Vanderbilt in the lineage added a little cachet to those with even newer money.

 

I suspect the Vanderbilts assumed arms for the same reason the rest of us assume or seek a grant—as well as for the reason that when you’re building a 65,000 square foot Italian Renaissance cottage or a 135,000 square foot French Renaissance chateau, it just looks wrong without a little heraldry in the decor.

 

As for the Rensselaers, I have no idea how their arms originated.  If I understand Luc Duerloo and Ton de Witte correctly, the vast majority of Dutch personal arms were originally assumed.  The Rensselaers brought their arms (Gules a cross moline Argent) with them when they came to New York, however.  The New York Historical Society has a seal with the Rensselaer arms that is said to date to 1620.

 

http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=932&stc=1&d=1317009678

 
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