Carroll College, Helena, Montana

 
Joseph McMillan
 
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15 July 2012 11:24
 

Yesterday I ran across this—another in the long stream of superb heraldry by Pierre de Chaignon la Rose—the armorial seal of Carroll College, a Catholic liberal arts college in Helena, Montana.  Its design and adoption are described in the campus newspaper, The Prospector, of Dec 20, 1934, at http://cdm16013.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p15018coll6/id/1611/rec/86

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7120/7575111310_e3e61a5f8f.jpg

 

I’m puzzled a bit by how to blazon the arms, however, given the unusual base.  Any thoughts?

 
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15 July 2012 12:17
 

Pierre de Chaignon la Rose was certainly a master in the field of heraldic design, and an excellent draughtsman too.

As the article notes that the base was derived from the chevronny field of the diocesan arms, perhaps it’s meant to be Per chevron abaisse Sable and Vert, a chevron abaisse Argent ...

 
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15 July 2012 13:27
 

Arthur Radburn;94639 wrote:

Per chevron abaisse Sable and Vert, a chevron abaisse Argent ...


chevron abased, that’s how I’d go…

 
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16 July 2012 08:57
 

Absolutely charming, whatever one calls it.

 
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16 July 2012 12:01
 

I wonder if the college still uses these arms. It’s disappointing to see a college that has a beautiful seal like this and they almost always use a logo instead. Institutions of higher education should follow the lead of the University of Chicago or Boston College in having a well thought-out visual identity program.

Update: It looks like they do use the seal, but they vulgarized the inscription.

 

http://www.carroll.edu/files/images/about/seal.png

 
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16 July 2012 12:09
 

Alexander Schrenk;94665 wrote:

It’s disappointing to see a college that has a beautiful seal like this and they almost always use a logo instead.


You’re preaching to the choir, my friend!

 

My college’s arms are nowhere to be seen:

 

http://www.vmi.edu/assets/0/430/899/c9b98e3c-9ea8-42fe-af2c-f66632ead9d5.jpg

 

instead being replaced by the seal or athletic logo:

 

http://www.vmi.edu/assets/0/430/899/2ee48243-78e0-4c82-a256-95e84fb986d0.jpg  http://www.vmi.edu/assets/0/430/899/c92a8bc6-b88e-4680-9ad4-5bbe99f57aaf.jpg

 

The school’s original motto, drafted by the first superintendent, is literally unknown by the student body:

In Pace Decus, In Bello Praesidium (Latin: "In Peace a Glorious Asset, In War a Tower of Strength")

 
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16 July 2012 12:32
 

steven harris;94667 wrote:

My college’s arms are nowhere to be seen:

http://www.vmi.edu/assets/0/430/899/c9b98e3c-9ea8-42fe-af2c-f66632ead9d5.jpg

 

instead being replaced by the…athletic logo:

 

http://www.vmi.edu/assets/0/430/899/c92a8bc6-b88e-4680-9ad4-5bbe99f57aaf.jpg


Thanks for putting these images side by side. I don’t think I ever realized how well composed the VMI logo is. The yellow V is the Vol Or; the red M at least evokes the largely red shield; and the white I is the Argent palewise sword. A graphic masterpiece.

 

Carry on with the rest of your discussion. smile

 
 
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16 July 2012 12:45
 

Thanks for posting the COA of VMI Steven.  I never realized that the university had one because all I knew was the VMI logo.

I still wish UCLA had one but all we had a seal for the University of California (which every UC school shares).

 
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19 July 2012 03:55
 

Jesse—when I was in the Army ROTC at UCLA, we had a nice unit insignia—IIRC (it’s been many years - Class of 67) Azure a bear passant Or, in a chief Or the bluck letters UCLA Azure, or something like that.  Of course the lettering on the chief is less than ideal, but it was still a clean, simple design.

 
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19 July 2012 11:46
 

Michael F. McCartney;94754 wrote:

Jesse—when I was in the Army ROTC at UCLA, we had a nice unit insignia—IIRC (it’s been many years - Class of 67) Azure a bear passant Or, in a chief Or the bluck letters UCLA Azure, or something like that.  Of course the lettering on the chief is less than ideal, but it was still a clean, simple design.


I wonder if that is still around.  Army ROTC is still active but I have never seen the insignia.  I might have to a look around today and see what I can find.

 
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19 July 2012 13:29
 

Michael F. McCartney;94754 wrote:

Jesse—when I was in the Army ROTC at UCLA, we had a nice unit insignia—IIRC (it’s been many years - Class of 67) Azure a bear passant Or, in a chief Or the bluck letters UCLA Azure, or something like that.  Of course the lettering on the chief is less than ideal, but it was still a clean, simple design.


http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/m/mgBwYPoHZD_ldMLCqNapcsA/140.jpg

 
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19 July 2012 13:57
 

Now why can’t UCLA have something like this for our University arms?  There would be some changes (I’d get rid of the UCLA in the chief and Joe [the bear] would need to change as that’s not how he looks anymore) but I like the concept of this.  It’s simple and clean.  UCLA just has the mindset that "we’re not an east coast school so COA don’t work here".  I love this little shield though.

 
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