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Donnchadh

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Posted: 22 September 2008 14:02

Is there a specific difference between a royal pavilion and a royal manteaux?

It appears to my eye there is, but I don’t know if it is just an artistic design option to have the dome (pavilion) with crown on top of that or just the manteaux tucked up in the crown (manteaux).

I need to know for sure like immediately…thanx to all who can help.

Alexander Liptak

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Posted: 22 September 2008 14:17

A pavillion is specifically the dome, while the manteau or mantle does not have a dome. The pavillion can be seen in the Russian imperial arms and several high ranking members of the German states. The mantel can be seen with Napoleon’s arms and those of Scandic states.

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Posted: 22 September 2008 14:24

OK. I ‘ve seen the dome in the pavilion of the arms of Savoy, France, and a Nordic country, etc. but I wasn’t sure if it was specific or not and I still do not have my copy of Neubecker out of storage while I am in between residences to check for ref. Thanks.

So, if Burke’s International records the arms blazoned as being in a pavilion, even if I’ve only seen these arms in a manteaux tucked up inside a crown, then it should have the dome I take it and not a manteaux tucked up in the crown. If anyone sees where this would be wrong please let me know ASAP as I am to begin putting this emblazon together tomorrow. Thanks.

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Posted: 22 September 2008 15:09

Well, that is an odd situation. Either Burke’s is mistaken with the term, or the artist erred without notice. Usually the pavilion is stated in addition to the mantel.

It could not be terribly wrong to err on precedence, and go without as you have previously seen.

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Posted: 23 September 2008 01:13

By reference to Neubecker, a manteau is a robe, which can be specific to the rank of the individual, such as ducal, princely, royal, etc. It would be tucked inside the appropriate crown or coronet.

The pavilion, or tent, is said by Neubecker to be a privilege of the ruler of the state, whereas the cloak or robe would be more appropriate to princes and princesses.

/Charles

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Posted: 23 September 2008 01:34

Thanks Doc.

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