Has this ever been used before?

 
Shyriath
 
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17 December 2007 20:21
 

I’ve been pondering different designs for a coat of arms for myself. I think I’m zeroing in on something I like, but it involves a charge that I’m not sure has been used before (I haven’t found any mentions of it, anyway). It’d be good to know for sure, though, because if it HAS been used then it would give me a better idea of how it traditionally looks and what the final design might be like.

The charge in question would be a ground-ivy flower… "ground ivy" in this case referring to the plant Glechoma hederacea. The flowers are small and rather oddly-shaped,  and my attempts to draw a stylized version are thus far looking fairly awful. So, before I continue, I thought I’d check to see whether I was reinventing the wheel, so to speak…

 
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17 December 2007 20:56
 

I would seriously doubt this particular flower has been used, but I suppose there might be an obscure occurrence somewhere in the armorial cosmos.

Generally I think its considered unwise to be too specific about unfamiliar flora, because to the average eye one small purple flower looks about the same as another; and specifying a particular variety wouldn’t be sufficient to differentiate an otherwise-similar shield from another shield with some other obscure variety of similar shape and color.

 

On the other hand, used as a minor charge (e.g. semee, or an orle, of small purple flowers) and drawn simply enough to be recognized as a flower, without expecting that every viewer be a botanist; AND where there is not already an otherwise-similar design utilizing small purple flowers, is a perfectly acceptable design pattern—just accept that others may not recognize (or care) which little purple flower you had in mind.

 

In crests, for various historical & artistic reasons, it seems more commonly acceptable to be quite specific as to species and varieties of flora and fauna.  Even there, however, I doubt that a latin name would be considered sufficient to differentiate an otherwise-similar design, except perhaps between close relatives.

 
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17 December 2007 21:16
 

Well, I was going to rely on the shape for uniqueness, rather than color; they’d be counterchanged in the instance I was imagining anyway.

The choice of flower, though probably not important to anyone else, has meaning to me; but I see your point about not being very distinguishable from other flowers. I’ll keep thinking about it, I suppose.

 
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19 December 2007 15:34
 

Please note that I wasn’t suggesting you should not use the little flower, or that you aren’t free to depict it as realistically (or abstractly) as you wish; only that standing alone, it wouldn’t be distinguishable to the average viewer from other small flowers of generally similar shape & color, and hence not sufficiently unique to distinguish your arms from others who like small purple flowers.  If the design is unique without relying on the particular variety of little flower, that’s fine, & you’re free to describe and depict it botanically if you wish.

 
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19 December 2007 16:41
 

If the flower of this plant is not particularly distinctive, the leaves are rather striking. Perhaps by including both flower and leaf one could make the design more specific.

 
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