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22 June 2006 18:23
 

I of course am referring to Montenegro.  I found a few tudbits about Montenegro on the internet, but I am not sure if the information has kept up with recent events so I hope someone can clarify if these symbols also apply to the independent form of Montenegro.

But as far as I know, here are the arms of Montenegro.  Their flags seems to be basicly heraldic as well..

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7061/10953393717me.jpg

 
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22 June 2006 20:53
 

I do like it, so if it isn ‘t correct that’s a bummer.

 
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22 June 2006 22:58
 

As far as I can tell, this is the flag.

Simple and elegant, in my opinion.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6918/flagmont2mp.jpg

 
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23 June 2006 00:01
 

I think that you will find that of to-day’s date there are 191 members of the United Nations with East Timor being the 191st to join on 27 September 2002.  Montenegro won’t be oficially admitted until the formalities have been concluded on Wednesday 28 June 2006.

Here is the National Flag of independent East Timor - the world newest democratic nation of the current list of 191 members of the UN:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gjksheraldry/east-timor.gif

 

Official Description of the Flag

“The National Flag is rectangular and is formed by two isosceles triangles, the bases of which are overlapping. One triangle is black and its height is equal to one-third of the length overlapped to the yellow triangle, whose height is equal to half the length of the Flag. In the centre of the black triangle there is a white star of five ends, meaning the light that guides. The white star has one of its ends turned towards the left side end of the flag. The remaining part of the flag is red.”

 

East Timor, having a strong Portuguese colonial background will, I’m sure, no doubt follow the heraldic practices of that country where heraldry is concerned.

 
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23 June 2006 01:04
 

(Not to get off topic) I don’t think that UN membership is a prerequisite for being an independent nation.  Switzerland just joined a couple of years ago for instance, and Taiwan and the Koreas are out if I remember correctly.  The Vatican would be out as well.

Back to the subject at hand, according to Wikipedia the arms are based on those of King Nicola.

 

A few interesting notes here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Montenegro

 
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23 June 2006 02:16
 

"The Vatican" isn’t a country by anyone’s standards. The Holy See was in fact offered full membership in the U.N. and declined in favor of permanent Observer status. The Holy See is "headquartered" in the Vatican City-State.

 
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23 June 2006 12:50
 

OT—- I echo Mark’s sentiment; membership in the U.N. is not the definition of nationhood.

OT—- Fr. Guy, I’m a bit confused, as I thought that being an independent city-state was essentially the same as being an independent country. They have their governance (pope being the sovereign head), own mail system, ambassadors to and foreign ambassadors accepted, etc. So, what is their status exactly ‘cuz I’m confused.

 

BONT—- I think the arms and the flag are really quite nice. It is nice to see nations going back to previous national devices in one form or another (Poland comes to mind) IMHO.

 
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24 June 2006 17:32
 

GJKS wrote:

I think that you will find that of to-day’s date there are 191 members of the United Nations with East Timor being the 191st to join on 27 September 2002.  Montenegro won’t be oficially admitted until the formalities have been concluded on Wednesday 28 June 2006.

Here is the National Flag of independent East Timor - the world newest democratic nation of the current list of 191 members of the UN:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gjksheraldry/east-timor.gif

 

Official Description of the Flag

“The National Flag is rectangular and is formed by two isosceles triangles, the bases of which are overlapping. One triangle is black and its height is equal to one-third of the length overlapped to the yellow triangle, whose height is equal to half the length of the Flag. In the centre of the black triangle there is a white star of five ends, meaning the light that guides. The white star has one of its ends turned towards the left side end of the flag. The remaining part of the flag is red.”

 

East Timor, having a strong Portuguese colonial background will, I’m sure, no doubt follow the heraldic practices of that country where heraldry is concerned.


They appears not to have done this the national arms is in the mould of the Independent movement turned government style:

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/East_timor_coa.png/110px-East_timor_coa.png

 
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25 June 2006 02:11
 

True, but they’ve yet to settle down politically.