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06 October 2006 11:25
 

Yes, it looks like Jellyfish. The spanish word for jellyfish is "Medusa", and Medusa means also "Gorgon". Is this helpful, or is it rubbish, lol?

 
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06 October 2006 11:31
 

Dear Luis,

Thank you very much.  It is very helpful indeed.  It has been really nice seeing all your contributions and insights…very helpful indeed. You and Sebastian have contributed quite a bit on Spanish heraldry…a topic that has always been fascinating to me.  Thank you kindly smile .

 

Are Jellyfish common in Spanish heraldry?  When used, do they stand for anything specific?

 

Cheers,

Hassan

 
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06 October 2006 14:30
 

Dear Hassan:

I will study this particular topic, because i am not sure. The meaning could be magical. But i will not say it very loud, because someone could give a ring to the spanish inquisition and burn me alive, lol.

 

I will try to gather some information about this subject.

 

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06 October 2006 18:39
 

Greetings everyone,

Personally, I doubt that the charges under discussion are jellyfish but actually rather ornate ermine ‘spots’.

 

Regards,

 

Iain Boyd

 
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06 October 2006 22:08
 

Ian,

I beg to differ on this one.  I have seen a lot of renditions of ermine spots and these look nothing like ermine.  Sorry, but I don’t think these are ermine.

 

Cheers,

Hassan

 
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11 October 2006 01:54
 

To me it looks pretty clear to be jellyfish instead of ermine, nevertheless I was wondering to whom those arms can belong, certainly not to Teresa de Cepeda y Ahumada, better known as “Santa Teresa de Jesus”, who lived and developed his spiritual work in the Spanish city of Avila. So who is the bearer of those arms?  Well it was very common to display the arms of the sponsor who helped (financially) to build the shrine, convent, etc.

In this case Don Gaspar de Guzmán y Pimentel, Count of Olivares and Duke of San Lúcar so; are the arms in the convent those belonging to the “Conde-Duque de Olivares”?

Actually I am not sure. I’ve been researching about Don Gaspar COA but the only picture I can find is this. http://www.fuenterrebollo.com/Heraldica-Piedra/conde-duque-olivares.html

 

Anyway as per the COA in the convent are extremely similar to the Guzman’s and if that is the case those are ermines and not jellyfish.

 

I am attaching my mother’s COA because is a good example of busy and complicates Spanish armorialshttp://www.aurelio.valarezo.net/Valarezo Duenas Alianza.htm

 

Aurelio

 
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11 October 2006 04:41
 

Aurelio,

Afraid the images you attached did not pan out.  Can you re-post them?

 

Those are not the arms of the Conde-Duque, I can tell you that for (almost)certain.  That is a historical figure with whom I am fairly familiar.

That having been said, I have no clue who they may belong to.

 

I hope actually that someone can help me identify the following arms, that appear on the same edifice:

 

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5111/santateresabla2hd4.jpg

 

I’m not sure if a convent such as this would bear its own arms or not, but that is a possibility as well.

 
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11 October 2006 17:02
 

This COA http://aurelio.valarezo.net/casa de alba pic.htm (sorry but I couldn’t upload the pics) is the current coat of arms of María del Rosario Cayetana Alfonsa Victoria Eugenia Francisca Fitz-James Stuart y de Silva, XVIII Duquesa de Alba de Tormes who among other 45 (or so) other titles holds the title of XIV Condesa-Duquesa de Olivares (with Grandeza de España –actually she is about 20 times Grande de España). It’s the combination of Fitz-James Stuart and Alvarez de Toledo (4th quarter).

But the convent of Santa Teresa de Jesus in Avila was built during the XVII (1629 -1636) century by Fray Alonso de San José –architect- (opened October 15th 1636) under the sponsorship of the bishop of Ávila (Márquez de Gaceta) and the Conde Duque de Olivares (at that time Don Gaspar de Guzmán y Pimentel) a cadet member of the house of Guzmán (the head of the house of Guzmán at that time was the Duque de Medina-Sidonia, at the time of the Convent’s construction Don Juan Manuel de Guzmán El Bueno, 8th Duke of Medina Sidonia).

 

 

This COA belongs as far as I know to the house of Guzmán. I am quite sure.http://www.aurelio.valarezo.net/guzman pic.htm

 

 

As per my maternal arms I am reposting them: http://www.aurelio.valarezo.net/duenas LG.htm

 

Best Regards

Aurelio

 
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11 October 2006 18:11
 

Sorry I forgot about the "other" coa. It belongs to the Ordo Carmelitarum Discalceatorum http://www.ocd.pcn.net/index_en.htm Santa Teresa’s religious order

Best regards

 

Aurelio

 
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