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Denny,
I understand your continued concerns however it is good to see you posting your work….I enjoy seeing you art.
Best,
Rob
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looks very good !
follow this link http://www.ngw.nl/religie.htm and look at the bottom 8 links for some nice diocese arms (not nr 7 and nr 8 is a special case)
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Donnchadh wrote:
Are those the arms of the Catholic diocese there or no? I have to say the arms themselves are really quite simple and beautiful.
The arms with the sable chiefs are for basilicas (marked in Nederlands, basiliek), the ombrellino, the or and gules umbrella on the chief is a symbol of a cathedral’s status as a basilica. The arms with mitres are diocesan arms (marked bisdom in Nederlands). I believe that the only arms on the page that are not Roman Catholic are the last two, the arms of the Order of Saint John in the Netherlands being Protestant (Dutch Reformed Church) for certain.
Yes, those entitled "bisdom" are of the dioceses (literally "bishoprics") themselves.
The dates of the arms are when they were officially recorded by the High Council of the Nobility, which is the official keeper of arms of the nobility. But in fact (as their simplicity would suggest), several of them are much, much older, going back to medieval times.
The last one "Ordinariaat voor de Nederlandse Strijdkrachten" would also be Catholic; it is the Ordinariate for the Netherlands Armed Forces, which oversees RC chaplains. I’m sure there’s a Protestant equivalent, but as the Dutch Reformed Church is "reformed" (i.e., of Calvinist heritage), it has no bishops.
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Donnchadh wrote:
Thanks Joe. I was under the, obviously mistaken and don’t I feel embarrassed, impression that the Dutch Reformed Church was Lutheran in liturgy and structure and that’s why I thought maybe it’d be their arms. Thanks again.
As a broad generalization, if you see the word "reformed" in the name of a church in Continental Europe, it usually refers to a church of the Calvinist heritage. (The international association of churches of Calvinist origin is actually called the World Association of Reformed Churches.)
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one Coa is not there it is the one of the archdiocese of Utrecht
http://www.aartsbisdomutrecht.nl/layout/aartsbisdom_banner.gif
these are the arms of the archdiocese, and they are quite old they were in use as early as the 13th or 14th century (the shield that is)
emrys wrote:
one Coa is not there it is the one of the archdiocese of Utrecht
these are the arms of the archdiocese, and they are quite old they were in use as early as the 13th or 14th century (the shield that is)
Interesting .... They are more anciently the arms of the Order of St. John of Rhodes & Malta—today the Sovereign Military order of Malta
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/misc/smom).gif
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/smom.html
also House of Savoy:
http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/HOUSEOFSAVOYCOATOFARMS.JPG
—Guy
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/misc/ee)harju.gif
The ancient arms of Harjumaa County, Estonia
N.B. The manteau around the arms of the SMOM (in the post above) should be black rather than dark green.
Also the unaugmented arms of the city of Vienna. One of the emperors granted the city the right to display these arms (Gules a cross Argent) on the center of a shield Sable an imperial double-headed eagle Or, but the original arms are the ones presently used.
They are also the arms of the 1st District (Bezirk) of the city, the historic area inside the Ring.
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