Coast Guard Cutters’ CoA now on TIOH

 
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01 March 2007 05:31
 

Joseph McMillan wrote:

You beat me to it.  So here’s the emblem of the Dutch frigate De Zeven Provincien.  With jewels:

http://www.marine.nl/images/ZPRV embleem-199_tcm10-20047.jpg

 

I think, logically, that if a number of countries use naval crowns of various designs with jewels, while only those navies that take their traditions from the Royal Navy use naval crowns without jewels, the burden of proof lies on those who claim that "without jewels" is the norm.

 

Now here’s one from Canada without jewels, HMCS Yellowknife.

 

http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/mspa_images/ship_site_images/ship_about/706/yellowknife_72.jpg


Actually if you look close at the Canadian example there is indeed jewles albeit not "coloured".

 
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01 March 2007 06:43
 

Marcus K wrote:

Actually if you look close at the Canadian example there is indeed jewles albeit not "coloured".


This was Daniel’s point—in the British tradition (or by the British rules, or English rules), the rim is "chased" with decoration in the shape of the jewels formed into the metal, but not actually jewelled.

 
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01 March 2007 15:52
 

Joseph McMillan wrote:

This was Daniel’s point—in the British tradition (or by the British rules, or English rules), the rim is "chased" with decoration in the shape of the jewels formed into the metal, but not actually jewelled.


Yes, but a quick look in my two volumes of the Admirality ships badges by T.P. Stoppford reveals several execptions from this. So it appears not to be a rock steady "rule".

 
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22 August 2008 22:41
 

I don’t see these on the Coast Guard site yet:

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23 August 2008 12:32
 

Joseph McMillan;41602 wrote:

You beat me to it.  So here’s the emblem of the Dutch frigate De Zeven Provincien.  With jewels:

http://www.marine.nl/images/ZPRV embleem-199_tcm10-20047.jpg

 

I think, logically, that if a number of countries use naval crowns of various designs with jewels, while only those navies that take their traditions from the Royal Navy use naval crowns without jewels, the burden of proof lies on those who claim that "without jewels" is the norm.

 

Now here’s one from Canada without jewels, HMCS Yellowknife.

 

http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/mspa_images/ship_site_images/ship_about/706/yellowknife_72.jpg

The Royal Navy-approved-blazer-badge uses a naval crown which is jewelled.

 
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23 August 2008 15:56
 

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Well what to say, alltough the first one acctually has a shield, the overall impression is unheraldic.

 
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The USS Wayne E. Meyer

 
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12 September 2008 12:24
 

And the Meyer is a Coast Guard vessel?  I thought all USCG vessels were prefixed "USCG ..." and that only USN vessels got the "USS ..."?

 
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12 September 2008 12:33
 

Doug Welsh;63273 wrote:

And the Meyer is a Coast Guard vessel? I thought all USCG vessels were prefixed "USCG ..." and that only USN vessels got the "USS ..."?


You are correct; this is in the wrong thread. Coast Guard cutters are prefixed USCGC (oddly enough: U.S. Coast Guard Cutter).  I have copied the last three posts to the "Some New U.S. Navy Heraldry" thread; further discussion of the arms of the (not yet USS) Wayne Meyer should take place there.

 

(Not yet USS because not yet commissioned.  Meyer is scheduled for launch next month; commissioning will come a number of months later.  At that point, it becomes a United States Ship.

 
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26 September 2008 18:37
 

USCGC Seneca

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27 September 2008 12:34
 

This is a very attractive coat of arms. I particulalry like how the crest and arms look together, both using Argent, Gules, and Or with a Sable silouette superimposed in front.

 
 
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16 December 2008 08:06
 

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/CG_Graphics/USCGCSeaDragonCOA.jpg

USCGC Sea Dragon (WPB 87367).

Blazon:

 

"SHIELD: Or (Gold), a mythological sea dragon Gules (Scarlet) intertwining a bronze trident palewise Proper, a bordure of the second.

 

CREST: On a wreath Or and Gules a demi-sunburst of the first surmounted by a demi-ship’s wheel Proper.

 

SYMBOLISM

 

SHIELD:  The dragon represents the ship and the mission to enforce protective maritime zones and provide security for U.S. submarines.  The trident signifies authority and law enforcement missions.  The bordure denotes co-ordination and unity of effort and implementation of mission requirements.  Scarlet symbolizes courage and sacrifice, gold denotes excellence and achievement.

 

CREST: The demi-ship’s wheel represents world-wide navigation and Coast Guard supervision of protective zones.  The sunburst denotes vigilance and clarity of purpose.

 

MOTTO:  “FROM THE SEA WE RULE” in gold lettering on a dark blue scroll garnished gold and double dark blue."

 

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/CG_Graphics/USCGCMariaBrayCOA.jpg

USCGC Maria Bray (WLM 562).

 

"Blazon

 

SHIELD: Per chevron Azure and Vert a chevronel wavy Argent between in chief a lozenge above two oars blades downwards saltirewise and in base a compass rose Or.

 

CREST: From a wreath Argent and Azure a ship’s wheel between two lighthouses with lanterns lit upon a rocky mount Proper, surmounted at center by a demi-trident Or.

 

MOTTO: A scroll Argent edged Gules doubled Azure inscribed “WATCH UPON THE WAVES” Azure.

 

Symbolism

 

SHIELD: Blue, red and white are the Coast Guard colors. Green refers to Cape Ann and Thacher Island, site of the twin lighthouses and Maria Bray’s heroic action. The oars symbolize the life-saving mission of the lighthouses and WLM 562, the USCGC Maria Bray, whose namesake is recalled by the gold lozenge, the heraldic device of women. Navigation and command of coastal waters are referred to by the compass rose. Gold symbolizes excellence.

 

CREST: The Thacher Island lights are represented by the twin lighthouses.  The ship’s wheel symbolizes navigation. A principal mission of the USCGC Maria Bray. The demi-trident signifies authority and maritime capabilities; the three tines recall the period of three nights during which Maria Bray tended the lights in her husband’s absence, covering the distance between the towers in severe storm conditions with only the aid of her twelve-year-old nephew; gold denotes excellence."

 
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16 December 2008 10:30
 

Marcus K;65178 wrote:

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/CG_Graphics/USCGCSeaDragonCOA.jpg

USCGC Sea Dragon (WPB 87367).

Blazon:

 

"SHIELD: Or (Gold), a mythological sea dragon Gules (Scarlet) intertwining a bronze trident palewise Proper, a bordure of the second.

 

CREST: On a wreath Or and Gules a demi-sunburst of the first surmounted by a demi-ship’s wheel Proper.

 

SYMBOLISM

 

SHIELD:  The dragon represents the ship and the mission to enforce protective maritime zones and provide security for U.S. submarines.  The trident signifies authority and law enforcement missions.  The bordure denotes co-ordination and unity of effort and implementation of mission requirements.  Scarlet symbolizes courage and sacrifice, gold denotes excellence and achievement.

 

CREST: The demi-ship’s wheel represents world-wide navigation and Coast Guard supervision of protective zones.  The sunburst denotes vigilance and clarity of purpose.

 

MOTTO:  “FROM THE SEA WE RULE” in gold lettering on a dark blue scroll garnished gold and double dark blue."


Is there a reason the Sinister canton is not mentioned in either blazon or explanation?