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15 March 2007 10:57
 

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Can anyone give me any more info on this emblem, that of US Air Force 3C2X1 Tech Control?  I don’t know how to go about finding this.

 
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Daniel C. Boyer wrote:

Can anyone give me any more info on this emblem, that of US Air Force 3C2X1 Tech Control? I don’t know how to go about finding this.


3C2X1 is the occupational specialty code for communications-computer systems technical controllers, not a unit or organization.  There is a specialty badge for this career field, but not a coat of arms, since career fields in the Air Force don’t have coats of arms.

 

This has to be some unofficial emblem designed by an artistically inclined technical controller, since (a) only organizations and units have official heraldic emblems, (b) only units of group size and above can put their heraldry on a shield, (c) the design on the shield doesn’t come close to following USAF design guidelines, and (d) there’s a clear copyright violation in the use of Snoopy, which would not be countenanced in an official device.

 
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Donnchadh wrote:

Could Disney Corp give permission to the Armed Forces to use such symbols? I know they used them in WWII, but I don’t know if that was official or not.


It certainly is possible (although these days not too probable). As an example, Walt Disney was a member of the Order of DeMolay for Boys, a fraternity sponsored by Freemasonry, and he personally gave both Freemasonry and DeMolay permission to use the likeness of Mickey Mouse. Additionally, many Masonic Lodges and Chapters of DeMolay have hand drawn images by Walt Disney of Mickey dressed in Masonic or DeMolay regalia.

 

However, I’m sure you’ve noticed that Snoopy is a Charles Schultz character, not a Disney one, but the same sort of thing could apply: if a unit of the military or an organization asked they might be granted license to use a cartoon character for any number of purposes.

 
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Donnchadh wrote:

Could Disney Corp give permission to the Armed Forces to use such symbols? I know they used them in WWII, but I don’t know if that was official or not.


this one was designed by Disney and used by the USAF in WW II and later, latest by the 32nd fighter group in 1994 (that is to say the middle part with the wolfhound was designed by Disney studios)

 

http://www.geocities.com/ka9hhu/patch32ndsm.gif

 

the outer parts are the normal parts of a unit badge in the Royal Dutch Airforce. The unit was placed in the RDA command structure.

 
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Joseph McMillan wrote:

3C2X1 is the occupational specialty code for communications-computer systems technical controllers, not a unit or organization.  There is a specialty badge for this career field, but not a coat of arms, since career fields in the Air Force don’t have coats of arms.


Thank you; this makes clear why I wasn’t able to find anything in terms of a unit.

 
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Patrick Williams wrote:

However, I’m sure you’ve noticed that Snoopy is a Charles Schultz character, not a Disney one, but the same sort of thing could apply: if a unit of the military or an organization asked they might be granted license to use a cartoon character for any number of purposes.


As a matter of fact, I shouldn’t have said this was an obvious copyright violation, although I suspect it is one. One of the cadet squadrons at the Air Force Academy (26th, I think) used to use an image of Snoopy in his fighter pilot guise as its squadron badge, and IIRC had an "emblazonment" of the badge signed by Schulz hanging in its squadron area.  If my memory is correct the "Barons" clearly did have permission. I’d bet that’s not the case here, however.

 
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