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Joseph McMillan
 
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Joseph McMillan
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29 November 2007 00:49
 

I’m on a roll this week.  It turned out that the Cleveland arms—or, more correctly, the attributed Cleveland arms—had a more interesting story behind them than I had expected.  The article’s now up at http://americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=President.Cleveland

http://americanheraldry.org/pages/uploads/President/cleveland.png

 
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29 November 2007 01:28
 

Very nice work!

 
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29 November 2007 02:17
 

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For those unfamiliar with the campaign jingles of the presidential election of 1884, here is an Republican chant: Ma, Ma, where’s my Pa?  Gone to the White House. Ha, ha, ha. Which was met by this response from the Cleveland supporters: Blaine, Blaine, James G. Blaine, the continental liar from the state of Maine! This goes to show that American politics has always been nasty. It is strange to think that my maternal grandmother was born during his first term in office.
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Chapulin
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29 November 2007 12:46
 

I find the crest very nicely done Joe, I luv it much!

 
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29 November 2007 21:48
 

Extremely nice work! Is it just me, or does the crest somewhat look like Mark Twain?

Or is it because we have begun reading Huck Finn in English class and I’ve got ‘Twain on the brain’? :D

 

Nice work Joe! Keep the presidential arms coming!

 

Cheers,

 
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30 November 2007 00:10
 

have u thought about checking with the White House, or anyone who would know, if there is anything heraldic left at the White House by any of our presidents to go with this great work? u probably have, but i thought i’d ask just in case. if there’s a way to find out it’d be cool to add it here.

 
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30 November 2007 19:44
 

Now I know where the arms of the Diocese of cleveland (OH) come from.

 
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02 December 2007 07:53
 

A fascinating story!

 
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03 December 2007 11:41
 

Joe—nice write-up!  Two things:

* last paragraph of Section 3 "of not" should read "if not"

* in section re: the diocese, was General Moses Cleveland (sp?) also a descendant of the immigrant Moses Cleveland from Ipswich?  I’m guessing yes, but its not clear.  (If not—i.e. if he wasn’t a cousin of the President—then the use of arms based on those claimed by the President’s family seems less OK for a city or whatever that was named after the General.)

 
Joseph McMillan
 
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03 December 2007 11:53
 

Mike,

Both good catches. I had gone in earlier this morning and caught both defects and fixed them, but based on your note I’ve now gone back again and made Gen. Moses’ relationship with President Grover a little clearer. Thanks.