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Kenneth Mansfield
 
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30 March 2008 11:27
 

These illustrations are getting more and more crude. I apologize.

You could make the chief wavy (either sable fimbriated argent or argent voided sable) and that would allow you to put the white wave on the part of the arms on which you allude to the arms from her side of the family.

 

http://www.hectorcito.com/heraldry/roe_ver1c.gif

 
 
Dale Challener Roe
 
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30 March 2008 16:03
 

kmansfield;56424 wrote:

These illustrations are getting more and more crude. I apologize.


No apology necessary…in fact I can probably beat you on the crudity scale…

 

With a nod toward simplifying things, I drew this one up this morning…

 

http://www.dcroe.com/images/armsrd1.png

 

The pile is to signify a valley (for Dale), the stag will be a roebuck (for Roe) and the white wavy partitions for my love.

 

I’m not even sure I like it but I’d like to hear opinions.

 
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30 March 2008 16:57
 

If you go in that direction (Per pale Argent and Azure a pile wavy overall a roebuck springing all counterchanged), you might consider the stag statent, trippant, or even lodged. I think the leaping movement with the pile and all the counterchanging is a little confusing. Might be different with an animal with less spindly legs or antlers. Just my two-cents worth.

 
 
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30 March 2008 18:47
 

kmansfield;56449 wrote:

If you go in that direction (Per pale Argent and Azure a pile wavy overall a roebuck springing all counterchanged), you might consider the stag statent, trippant, or even lodged. I think the leaping movement with the pile and all the counterchanging is a little confusing. Might be different with an animal with less spindly legs or antlers. Just my two-cents worth.


Well, if I go down this road (and right now that’s a big if), the roebuck will almost certainly be altered so that it only crosses the pale and not the pile, whether that be changing the pose or even the size.

 

Truth be told at this point I’m not even sure I like it.

 
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30 March 2008 18:49
 

kmansfield;56421 wrote:

While on the subject of "white space" here is how I would change the shield that Phil used as an example of quill and ink….

Before: http://www.hectorcito.com/heraldry/modernheraldrycom.gif  After: http://www.hectorcito.com/heraldry/modernheraldrycommine.gif


It’s funny, when I first saw it I had a very similar thought, however, as a right-handed writer the quill looked correct to me, and in my mind I changed the Bend to sinister.

 
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30 March 2008 19:00
 

PBlanton;56384 wrote:

What about a combination of quill pen in an ink well? Three can be seen in the following arms:

http://www.modernheraldry.com/images/AmRIA.gif


Are these arms not already in use by Captain America’s Press Secretary?

 
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30 March 2008 19:23
 

dcroe05;56370 wrote:

http://www.dcroe.com/images/arms.pnghttp://www.dcroe.com/images/armstaylor.png


These are both attractive Medieval coats-of-arms.  The Britsh are not keen on composed arms, that is two or more coats-of-arms being merged together to represent a new family line. The Spaniards and to a lesser extent the Portuguese are the primary composers of arms in Europe. I suggest that you visit a few web sites on Spanish heraldry where you can view historical composed arms. The most common Spanish way to compose a coat of arms is to create a border around the paternal arms from a charge or charges in the maternal arms. In your case this could be a border chequey Argent and Sable; a bordure Sable charged with lion’s paws Argent; a bordure Sable charged with lions passant Argent or a number of other bordures that could be devised.

 

Look these web sites over for inspiration in composing a coat of arms from the two that you have submitted: http://grandesp.org.uk/ ;

http://www.geocities.com/heraldicabc/ .

 
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31 March 2008 17:11
 

Dale, here’s an idea playing off your sample from the other day.

http://www.hectorcito.com/heraldry/roe_ver2a.gif

 

Argent on a pile throughout Azure a roebuck of the first in base a bar wavy counterchanged. [Does the bar require "overall"?]

 
 
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03 April 2008 22:42
 

Ken’s last design is looking rather clean and neat. To better fill the triangular space of the pile, what about a roebuck’s head caboshed?

 
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03 April 2008 22:52
 

Ken’s latest design is very attractive!  :D I also think Fr. Dohrman’s idea would look nice, but I might show the head affronty for balance.

Take care,

 
 
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03 April 2008 23:11
 

Isn’t that what "caboshed" means?

 
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03 April 2008 23:16
 

Ken, your design is very striking.  Fr. Byers’ idea, however, is worth considering.  A stag’s head caboshed might fill the pile quite nicely.

 
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04 April 2008 03:05
 

Impressive, Kenneth!  Keep on keepin’ on!

 
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04 April 2008 14:48
 

Dohrman Byers;56719 wrote:

Isn’t that what "caboshed" means?

:oops:  Doh!  Just ignore the goofy guy in the corner that obviously can’t read.  LOL

Take care,