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26 May 2008 09:14
 

JOSE CARRION RANGEL;58670 wrote:

Only add that the leader of the spanish communist party proposed, two years ago, to leave the red St. James cross of our army coat of arms because in the intarnational missions it would be considered offensive.


I would be the last person to sympathize with a communist leader.  If the head of the PCE came out in favor of cordero asado, I would be against it, and I love cordero asado.

 

Still, there is a remote chance that the particular symbol of Santiago Matamoros (St. James the Moorslayer) would be seen differently in the context of, say, Iraq, than one of the other characteristically Spanish crosses like that of Calatrava.

 

That said, I’m glad the Spanish Army ignored him.  I’m very sympathetic to many Muslim grievances, but there does come a time when people have to get over something that ended over 500 years ago like the Reconquista.

 
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26 May 2008 09:22
 

Some new arms:

http://www.ejercito.mde.es/organizacion/brczm/unidades/imagenes/unidades/zapadores-esc.jpg

Mountain Sapper Unit I.

 

http://www.ejercito.mde.es/organizacion/brczm/unidades/imagenes/unidades/logistico-esc.jpg

Mountain Logistics Group, the brodure is from the arms of Huesca where the Group is based.

 
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26 May 2008 09:29
 

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The Signal Brigade.

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Electronic Warfare Regiment No. 31. The Motto translates as "Our enemy is the scilence".

 

http://www.cedres.info/regimiento/histo_regimiento/escudos/bonewcaniii32.jpg

Electronic Warfare Battalion "Canarias" III/32.

 

Behind the Shields the Electrodes of the Signal Troops.

 
JOSE CARRION RANGEL
 
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26 May 2008 09:50
 

The coat of arms of the General Inspection of MIlitary Health that I had the honor to design.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_gTQCiRKlM-U/SDq-YA4x8DI/AAAAAAAACls/Uxozfi4E88E/s400/IGESAN-1.jpg

 
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26 May 2008 10:03
 

Sorry because my English is not so good.

In Spain we are crossing a period of historic and symbolic revisionism. With the problem that supose 800 years of war with the moors, and the lot of coat of arms with things alusives to that war called reconquest.

 

E.G.: The coat of arms of a little village of Granada, in Andalusia, where the last moor king, in 1492, was made prisioner: The chain of the king´s neck has disappeared:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_gTQCiRKlM-U/SDrCoQ4x8EI/AAAAAAAACl0/1ZnzLHzemXI/s400/811046m.jpg

 
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26 May 2008 10:59
 

JOSE CARRION RANGEL;58699 wrote:

The coat of arms of the General Inspection of MIlitary Health that I had the honor to design.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_gTQCiRKlM-U/SDq-YA4x8DI/AAAAAAAACls/Uxozfi4E88E/s400/IGESAN-1.jpg


A nice design, good work Jose!

 
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26 May 2008 12:05
 

yes, that’s a nice design Jose. congrats!

 
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26 May 2008 12:30
 

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In Spain we are crossing a period of historic and symbolic revisionism. With the problem that supose 800 years of war with the moors, and the lot of coat of arms with things alusives to that war called reconquest.

E.G.: The coat of arms of a little village of Granada, in Andalusia, where the last moor king, in 1492, was made prisioner: The chain of the king´s neck has disappeared:

OK, I don’t want to ruin Marcus original theme for this thread, so if the Mods want feel free to move this and other posts like it to another thread and my apologies in advance.

That being said, this removal of the chain bothers me. Not because I want to rub something in the face of Muslims if it does do that – I simply don’t know. But, I do not like revisionism at all. This was an allusion to a historical fact. This is a good thing IMO - even when I’m on the loosing side.

 

I am an Irish Nationalist in Irish politics, which means I want a united and free Irish state - all 32 counties. However, I know there is a strong British cultural influence in Ulster and I do not think that should ever be done away with artificially. It is a fabric of Irish life to have British cultural, legal, political influences and one should support that as they are all good.

 

I would hate to see, for example, any coat of arms that denotes British, or perhaps even Protestant-British (Williamite), victories over the Irish, or perhaps Catholic-Irish (Stuart), removed from coats of arms. To me this is nonsense. It happened. It is a part of who we (the Irish) are and a part of our shared history. To remove it for modern-day sensitivities betrays a basic element of heraldry IMO.

 

So what if the British beat us up hundreds of years ago? ... So what of the Spanish were able to re-conquer their own lands and enslave a king in the process? So what? That was a long time ago and is a part of history…a shared history and in fact happened with Christian kings in Muslim lands and even with Christian kings with other Christian kings. It was a part of the culture of war of those times. In this regard I share in Mr. McMillan’s mention of ‘getting over it’ by those who aren’t.

 

On the flip-side I would have no problem with formerly Moorish areas of Spain using Islamic influences in their heraldry (I don’t know if they do) either as it is a part of their history. I just think it is beyond a basic function of heraldry to constantly be "re-doing" the coats of arms to appease modern day sensitivities whatever they may be. Civic coats of arms, all arms really, but especially civic ones, have to be free to have such symbolism in them. However, I can see a case made for a newly devised coat of arms being free from such symbolism because it is being created today and therefore could reflect today’s sensitivities and cultural interpretation. But, leave the older ones, the established onea, alone already.

 

OK…sorry on the soap-box again. wink

 
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27 May 2008 05:18
 

I second that Donnchadh,having wrote that I continue with som new arms:

http://www.ejercito.mde.es/organizacion/brimzx/img/gif/brimz_x.gif

Mechanized Brigade "Guzman el Bueno" X.

 

http://www.ejercito.mde.es/organizacion/brimzx/img/gif/gaca_x.gif

Field Artillery Group (Selfpropelled) X,which is the Field Artillery unit of the Mechanized Brigade "Guzman el Bueno" X. The vault symbolises the Moorish buildings in Grenada, where the Group is based.

 

http://www.ejercito.mde.es/organizacion/brimzx/img/gif/uzap_x.gif

The Engineers of the Brigade is The Sapper Unit No. 10.

 
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27 May 2008 05:54
 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/GOE_III_Valencia.jpg

Special Operations Group "Valencia" III. The Bat symbolises invisibility and precision in the attack. It also denotes the speciality of the Group that is night attacks. The Chief shows the arms of the former Infantry Regiment "Valencia" No. 23 which traditions and name has been inherited by the Group.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/GOE_IV_Tercio_del_Ampurdan.jpg

Special Operations Group "Tercio de Ampurdan" IV. The Dragon symbolises destruction and anger. The Chief shows the Cross of St. George as he was the patron of the Gran Compañia Catalana de los Almogávares. The former name of the Group was "Almogávares".

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/GOE_XIX_Maderal_Oleaga.JPG

Special Operations Group "Maderal Oleaga" XIX. This was formerly named the Special Operations Group of the Legion hence the emblem of the Legion. The bayonet within the wreath is the Special Operations emblem.

 
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28 May 2008 00:10
 

Of the next six Marcus I really like the one for "Special Operations Group "Tercio de Ampurdan" IV."

 
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28 May 2008 06:20
 

http://www.ejercito.mde.es/organizacion/mrpir/img/capitania_300.gif

The Inspectorate-General of the Army. The flying Eagle is a symbol of the surveillance task.

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General Office of the Reserves.

 

http://www.ejercito.mde.es/organizacion/dimz/imagenes/dimz1.gif

1st Mechanized Division "Brunete", this is the only Division in the Spanish Army. Not a particular good design from a heraldic point of view.

 
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23 June 2008 12:59
 

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Atomic Biological and Chemical Weapons Protection Regiment.

 
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23 June 2008 13:05
 

Marcus K;59667 wrote:

Atomic Biological and Chemical Weapons Protection Regiment.


What do the wolves have in their mouths?

 
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23 June 2008 13:34
 

I don’t know, perhaps it is Hens?