Interesting Finnish lines of partition

 
Michael Swanson
 
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01 August 2008 01:27
 

Here are some Finnish lines of partition…an excellent collection

http://wiki.partio.net/Koro

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http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koro

I am most interested in Kynsikoro and whether there is a French or English heraldic translation.  I think it is a form of dancettè or indented.

 

kuusikoro/Fir tree

http://www2.edu.fi/materiaalipankki/files/orig/142_kuusikoro.jpg

 

havukoro/Fir twig or sapinagy

http://www2.edu.fi/materiaalipankki/files/orig/142_havukoro.jpg

 

apilakoro/counter trefoiled

http://www2.edu.fi/materiaalipankki/files/orig/142_apilakoro.jpg

 

lehmuskoro/??

http://www2.edu.fi/materiaalipankki/files/orig/142_lehmuskoro.jpg

 

ristikoro/??

http://www2.edu.fi/materiaalipankki/files/orig/142_ristikoro.jpg

 

lehmuskoro/??

http://www2.edu.fi/materiaalipankki/files/orig/142_lehmuskoro.jpg

 
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01 August 2008 09:16
 

What a fantastic discovery, Michael. Thanks for sharing. I think of many of these types of partitions as being quite modern innovations and I see a lot of dates from the last half of the last century. Have you translated whether or not those are dates of "invention"?

 
 
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01 August 2008 10:38
 

http://wiki.partio.net/images/b/b2/Ristikoro.png

ristikoro -> per [line] crosses potent on base counter-posed

or perhaps per [line] [number] plain crosses on steps counter-posed

 

My proposed translation.  Comment?

 
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01 August 2008 10:46
 

http://wiki.partio.net/images/4/40/Kuulakärkikoro.png

Kuulakärkikoro -> per [line] indented points pommettée

 
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01 August 2008 10:52
 

http://wiki.partio.net/images/2/2e/Kynsikoro.png

Kynsikoro -> per [line] [number] claws (or talons) counter-posed

perhaps just per [line] taloned or per [line] [number] indents embowed or per [line] [number] daunces embowed

 
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01 August 2008 11:26
 

Michael Swanson;61638 wrote:

http://wiki.partio.net/images/2/2e/Kynsikoro.png

...per [line] taloned...


If I were to read this in a blazon, I think I would expect exactly what is pictured, with the possible exception that the curve would go the other way.

 
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01 August 2008 11:34
 

Dale Challener Roe;61639 wrote:

If I were to read this in a blazon, I think I would expect exactly what is pictured, with the possible exception that the curve would go the other way.

I would too then think about it and remember that since the normal is to the right, on a shield it would be to dexter

 
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01 August 2008 12:19
 

kimon;61640 wrote:

I would too then think about it and remember that since the normal is to the right, on a shield it would be to dexter


But then I’d wonder what should naturally go to dexter: the curve or the point? wink

 
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01 August 2008 12:22
 

Dale Challener Roe;61641 wrote:

But then I’d wonder what should naturally go to dexter: the curve or the point? smile

 
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01 August 2008 12:23
 

It’s a little like what Boutell refers to as wavy crested, but closer together than what I would imagine that truly is. I might start with indented and try to add a description of the curvature rather than trying to come up with a brand new term. But, I’m not feeling particularly inspired today.

 
 
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01 August 2008 13:15
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01 August 2008 16:31
 

Ok, I think I understand Embowed. But please correct me.

I see two rules in play: (1) natural direction and (2) deiseil or right-hand-wise.

 

So, first one sees if there is a natural (biology/physics) direction to embow (like the dexter arm bows only one way).  It is not clear if a contourny palewise fish would be embowed with nature, but I think it would.

 

Second, if biology and physics don’t come into play, then from the perspective of the shield-bearer, one bends the object clockwise. If palewise, the object’s top follows the hand going toward the 12, and fesswise the upper most goes through the 12.

 
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02 August 2008 19:10
 

Per fess indented embowed points pometté

http://www.dictionaryofheraldry.com/Indented.htm

 

http://www.dictionaryofheraldry.com/BERRY-ARTWORK/FESSES/52-08-perfessindented.gif.

 

Why are they bending to sinister?  I am getting the feeling embowed needs a direction indicator.

 

Per fess indented embowed to sinister and points pometté?

 
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03 August 2008 10:20
 

My lonely quest to understand the direction of embowed….  Even though there are contradictory uses, SA and Canada and Nortre Dame seem to specify the direction of the embowment and use the direction of the chiefmost point.  If anyone has any definitive information about the English usage of embowed, I would appreciated it.

I found the following in Elvin/Beatty who uses the elbow direction to define the default:


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Embowed. When the arm is bent back, with the elbow to the dexter.

Embowed Contrary or Counter Embowed. Bowed to the sinister side.


At the following link we find two arms counter-embowed. In this case I think it means they are bowed in opposite directions.  http://www.gg.ca/heraldry/pub-reg/project.asp?lang=e&ProjectID=59&ShowAll=1

 

We see both meanings of counter-embowed in Boutell.  But when a single elbow is to sinister, he also calls it counter embowed.  http://books.google.com/books?id=xp4rAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA130&lpg=PA130&dq=“counter-embowed”+heraldry&source=web&ots=9p1iLr7kQH&sig=kF0TwtK2k-caklTCCrGYBXZ_Vbg&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result

 

In the SA registration, "embowed to sinister" applied to a fishing rod means the "elbow" of the rod is to dexter and the chiefmost point is to sinister:  #5 http://www.geocities.com/arma_za/GG22281.html

 

Parker refers to ams embowed to sinister but I can’t find an emblazonment. http://books.google.com/books?id=luMMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA224&lpg=PA224&dq=“embowed+to+”&source=web&ots=CzkMurdzK2&sig=dpqIqq-qkkBACSXntzComkw2cmo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA224,M1

 

The SCA is contradictory, using embowed to sinister/dexter to mean different directions in different arms.  E.g., http://badger.cx/heraldry/roll/display.php?id=21  and http://badger.cx/heraldry/roll/display.php?id=21

 

The Nortre Dame site give this as embowed to the dexter, agreeing with Canada that the chiefmost point is specified when giving directions:

http://www.library.nd.edu/rarebooks/digital_projects/heraldry/charges/images/human/mbwd_dexter.gif

 

http://www.library.nd.edu/rarebooks/digital_projects/heraldry/charges/human_figure.shtml