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28 February 2009 16:12
 

The sallet, the placement of the motto scroll and style of mantling suggests that the arms were granted by the Lord Lyon.

If this is the case, I am surprised that the mullets on the fesse were not counterchanged.

 

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28 February 2009 16:23
 

I just got back from a couple of high school baseball games and so my mind might be fried a bit, but if the mullets are placed in orle like this do they have to change tincture on the fess? My gut tells me no, but again my mind is a bit sun-dried. wink

I do like the achievement. Looks really good.

 
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28 February 2009 16:54
 

Iain Boyd;67049 wrote:

The sallet, the placement of the motto scroll and style of mantling suggests that the arms were granted by the Lord Lyon.

Or that the person designing and drawing the arms was familiar with arms granted by the LL.

 
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01 March 2009 03:41
 

Since the mullets are of a third color, this seems to be O.K. Were they azure, they would have to be counter-changed.

 
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01 March 2009 05:21
 

There is no mention of the LL on the Society’s site. But a good guess is that the Arms was a grant by the LL as you say the style certainly is LL.

 
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01 March 2009 06:04
 

Dear Hans,

‘Counterchanged’ may not have been the best choice to use, although, I think that it is possible -

 

"Argent, on a fesse azure an eagle’s head erased argent armed gules, all surrounded by an orle of mullets counterchanged gules and argent."

 

That is, an orle of mullets which are red on the argent field and argent on the azure field of the fesse.

 

What I was objecting to and feel the Lord Lyon has erred on (assuming that the arms are a Lyon Court grant) are the red mullets on the blue fesse!

 

Reagrds,

 

Iain Boyd

 
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02 March 2009 00:16
 

The arms are definitely from Lyon, and appear to be very recent (petition date March 4 2006).

See Page 4 of their August 2007 newsletter.

 

http://www.macrae.org/internet newsletter/august_2007.pdf

 
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02 March 2009 11:39
 

Good find.

Sadly, their last comment about any other emblazonment save the one on the LP being illegal is incorrect.

 

/Charles

 
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02 March 2009 14:30
 

Charles E. Drake;67085 wrote:

Sadly, their last comment about any other emblazonment save the one on the LP being illegal is incorrect./Charles


You’re so much nicer that I was—when I first read that sentence in their newsletter, the word that came to mind was far stronger than merely "incorrect".  Kudos to you for being more polite than my initial kneejerk reaction.

 

David

 
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03 March 2009 15:47
 

Iain Boyd;67068 wrote:

Dear Hans,

‘Counterchanged’ may not have been the best choice to use, although, I think that it is possible -

 

"Argent, on a fesse azure an eagle’s head erased argent armed gules, all surrounded by an orle of mullets counterchanged gules and argent."

 

That is, an orle of mullets which are red on the argent field and argent on the azure field of the fesse.

 

What I was objecting to and feel the Lord Lyon has erred on (assuming that the arms are a Lyon Court grant) are the red mullets on the blue fesse!

 

Reagrds,

 

Iain Boyd


Except, of course, that an orle is exempt from the color on color rule (particularly if added as an honor). Had the mullets been emblazoned as "in orle" then the color on color rule would apply. But insasmuch as they are "an orle of mullets gules" then the CoA can get away with it and still be "within the rules".

 
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03 March 2009 16:00
 

Allow me to follow up with: It’s my opinion that an orle should be a continuous band and therefore these mullets are "in orle" and should, therefore, be counterchanged.

 
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