A few… not so known Russian Coat of Arms

 
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15 August 2009 22:45
 

The book can be downloaded for free…..

you just have to wait 60 seconds!

http://king13.ucoz.ru/load/12-1-0-200

 

approx. 88.4 MB

 

http://depositfiles.com/en/files/s4c3f59fp

 
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18 August 2009 23:14
 

It seems from the title of the book that this reference contains information on your own family. I am downloading it as I write and will try to read it as best as I am able.

 
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20 August 2009 00:09
 

Hi David,

maybe or maybe not...unless you find an Ivan Martynov - Iohann Martinoff in Riga

who was a military prisoner till about 1728 ..

I had posted this…

http://www.bild-hoster.de/images/FrankMartinoff/1bristmartinoffcopy.jpg

with the question ...if somebody knows who this was/where he came from

 

and they posted the link to the book!

The names repeat themselves in my family…

but....

1000 pages of family history is a lot for somebody who can’t read Old Russian without any help!

So…I will not be able to make sense out of it!

:(

 

...But this wasn’t the reason why I had posted the link!

thought it might be of interest for some of you!

 
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20 August 2009 19:21
 

I thought that you had already read the article about the Noble House of Martynov in the book. I will go over it again and look for an Ivan Martynov specifically. The city of Riga and neighboring Livland had only been part of the Russian Empire for seven years in the year 1728, having been sceeded by Sweden in the Treaty of Nystad in 1721. It should be noted that the other two thirds of modern day Latvia (including the western and southern suburbs of Riga) were still under the control of the Duchy of Kurland and the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania in 1728.

Ivan Martynov’s imprisionment may well have been political as the Empress Anna of Russia had been the Dowager Duchess of Kurland until she inherited the Russian Throne in 1725. Empress Anna was very capricious with imprisioning officials from whom she preceived slights, disrespect or threats (more than often existing only in her own mind). During her time as the Dowager Duchess of Kurland, her very small allowance, from her husband’s relatives and from her cousin Peter the Great, embittered her and caused her to seek retribution on those Russian officials who allowed her impoverishment under Emperor Peter I and later under his widow Empress Ekaterina I.

 

In the German document that you posted, is mentioned the Church of Saint George, the Chapel of the Livonian Brothers of the Sword (later known as the Livonian Order which was an autonomous branch of the Teutonic Order which in time contolled Kurland, Livland, Estland and Semigallia) in Riga. This is the oldest extant building in Riga having been erected in 1204.

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/LIVONIAE_NOVA_DESCRIPTIO_1573-1578.jpg

 
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20 August 2009 19:28
 

I thought that you had already read the article about the Noble House of Martynov in the book. I will go over it again and look for an Ivan Martynov specifically. The city of Riga and neighboring Livland had only been part of the Russian Empire for seven years in the year 1728, having been sceeded by Sweden in the Treaty of Nystad in 1721. It should be noted that the other two thirds of modern day Latvia (including the western and southern suburbs of Riga) were still under the control of the Duchy of Kurland and the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania in 1728.

Ivan Martynov’s imprisionment may well have been political as the Empress Anna of Russia had been the Dowager Duchess of Kurland until she inherited the Russian Throne in 1725. Empress Anna was very capricious with imprisioning officials from whom she preceived slights, disrespect or threats (more than often existing only in her own mind). During her time as the Dowager Duchess of Kurland, her very small allowance, from her husband’s relatives and from her cousin Peter the Great, embittered her and caused her to seek retribution on those Russian officials who allowed her impoverishment under Emperor Peter I and later under his widow Empress Ekaterina I.


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In the German document that you posted, is mentioned the Church of Saint George, the Chapel of the Livonian Brothers of the Sword (later known as the Livonian Order which was an autonomous branch of the Teutonic Order which in time contolled Kurland, Livland, Estland and Semigallia) in Riga. This is the oldest extant building in Riga having been erected in 1207 (see the image above).

 
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20 August 2009 19:31
 

I thought that you had already read the article about the Noble House of Martynov in the book. I will go over it again and look for an Ivan Martynov specifically. The city of Riga and neighboring Livland had only been part of the Russian Empire for seven years in the year 1728, having been relinquished by the Kingdom of Sweden in the Treaty of Nystad in 1721. It should be noted that the other two thirds of modern day Latvia (including the western and southern suburbs of Riga) were still under the control of the Duchy of Kurland and the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania in 1728.

Ivan Martynov’s imprisionment may well have been political as the Empress Anna of Russia had been the Dowager Duchess of Kurland until she inherited the Russian Throne in 1725. Empress Anna was very capricious with imprisioning officials from whom she preceived slights, disrespect or threats (more than often existing only in her own mind). During her time as the Dowager Duchess of Kurland, her very small allowance, from her husband’s relatives and from her cousin Peter the Great, embittered her and caused her to seek retribution on those Russian officials who allowed her impoverishment under Emperor Peter I and later under his widow Empress Ekaterina I.

 

http://www.riga.lv/NR/rdonlyres/96E6531A-7652-4ED5-BD9A-1D93BD690398/327/jurabaznica.jpg

 

In the German document that you posted, is mentioned the Church of Saint George, the Chapel of the Livonian Brothers of the Sword (later known as the Livonian Order which was an autonomous branch of the Teutonic Order which in time contolled Kurland, Livland, Estland and Semigallia) in Riga. This is the oldest extant building in Riga having been erected in 1207 (see the image above).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LIVONIAE_NOVA_DESCRIPTIO_1573-1578.jpg

 
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20 August 2009 22:47
 

Thank you David ....that was insightful !!!

All "I" know is that Iohann/Ivan received in 1728

a pass from the "war council" "Reichs-Kriegs-Collegio" to settle anywhere in the Empire at his will and choosing!

In the year 1797 he was described as soldier, but since the court writer messed up ...

it isn’t clear if it was for Russia or for Sweden!

http://forum.vgd.ru/file.php?fid=13954&key=0

 

This was written almost 70 years after the fact!

 

I would be thankful if you could look for an Ivan or Ivanovich "since they all made mistakes"

that could possibly fit the description!

 

I found the Feodor Ivanovich (I believe around page 59—5th Generation, but mine was born 1812!

http://www.bild-hoster.de/images/FrankMartinoff/1friedrichjohannmartinoffdocsarcopics001.jpg

 

"IF" I read this right????

 

Thank you,

I really appreciate your help!

Frank

 
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21 August 2009 09:33
 

The use of a middle name in the German document, as in Heinrich Gustav, rather than a patronymic is a strong sign that the family was Swedish or Baltic German rather than Russian in origin. Kurland, a province with a large German population, is mentioned in the document.

Such a strange haircut in the photograph (unless it has faded or been re-touched). I hope it was not really half shaved off as the Russians used to mark convicts this way.

 
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21 August 2009 16:46
 

I believe it is half shaved,

his corresponding eye seems to be a partially healed blue!????

Regarding Patronym!

All family members have their Russian Patronymic Name in the St. Petersburg Archives

but not in the Riga archives, at least only partially/most of them!

 
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21 August 2009 21:12
 

Just in case you were wondering,

his picture was taken between 1870 and 1880 in Arco/Tyrol now Italy (His winter residence)!

I have the backside of it!

Before 1875, his winter residence was in Napoli!

 

 

 

"Here something off topic"

This is one of a few pictures I was able to take,

it is not accessible to the public, but it rains in this hall/room!

"Again it might be of interest to some of you!"

 

http://img190.imageshack.us/i/1frankmartinoffarco.jpg/

 

Frank

 
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21 August 2009 22:08
 

What a mess ....or confused society!

Childhood recollections of one of the family members!

She was born in Riga 1897!

 

Efriede Anna Maurach-Martinoff

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Hans, Edler von Kiesling auf Kieslingstein von Varennes Mondasse

Background

http://yerba-loca.blogspot.com/2007/12/historia-del-santuario-yerba-loca.html

Total size 22 Square Kilometers…and only a small fraction of their property!

 

This is a small part of what she left ...behind!

If you read between the lines….it sounds awfully confused (Confused Society)!

 

http://img15.imageshack.us/i/elfriedeannamaurachmart.jpg/

 
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30 August 2009 18:21
 

A little after thought;

If it is a half shaved head (Which I strongly believe it is)

...what pride does one have to have

to commemorate the occasion with a photograph of oneself!

 
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30 August 2009 21:41
 

Perhaps he decided to bear what the Tsar would have preferred everyone think of as a badge of shame, instead as an emblem of personal pride.

 
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31 August 2009 02:23
 

Hi David,

that’s the only explanation I can come up with!

Best wishes,

Frank

 
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31 August 2009 11:46
 

Unless he had a head injury ???!!!

But these are sadly all assumptions!

:(

 
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01 September 2009 23:06
 

Hi David "Pritchard",

sorry…. don’t want to stretch the tolerance of the forum

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3.)the construction of his Villa was during this time….

he paid 5000 florin for part of the construction, which he took as loan from a bank in Trentino, the whole credit was paid of within a year or so… I have the documents!

I don’t think any bank would grant a loan that high (or any loan) to a convict????

4.) many accidents happen during such a building project (especially head injuries)!

I hope you understand why I need to make sure your concept is correct!