Perhaps Michael Medvedev could be of assistance here.
It’s ok David…I still have a few friends in Russia,
who don’t mind helping me out!
It’s broken English,, but you’ll understand!
Quote:
"""Здравствуйте, Frank
I find that doctor Gaazz made all
in this problem.At 1833 the goverment took the zakon about hair. ( At
this year hairs were notcut at half to prizoners)
because of that photo cann’t be a photo of prizoner
—
С уважением,
TL """
I was down there a few months ago
and had a few meetings with the mayor of Arco and other city officials!
:(
http://www.bild-hoster.de/images/FrankMartinoff/villamartinoff.jpg
http://www.bild-hoster.de/images/FrankMartinoff/1livoniavilla2copy.jpg
http://www.bild-hoster.de/images/FrankMartinoff/martinoffvillaarco1880.jpg
Everything is still there,
house, furniture, stocks, silver, jewelry, pictures and documents
but I didn’t get a copy of everything I wanted!:pirate:
Sorry for not getting bnack with you sooner. I have not felt well for at least ten days. Blood pressure restored to noirmal yesterday with an increase in medication. I will look over the pdf book later today for references to your ancestor.
David E. Cohen;71501 wrote:
Perhaps Michael Medvedev could be of assistance here.
Thank you, dear David, but I am rather inclined to believe that partial baldness and dark shades resulted in a misleading visual effect.
Thank you David and Michael
...the whole thing still is a ? for me…
let’s see what else will surface!
This is a picture of him at least 10-15 years later!
http://www.bild-hoster.de/images/FrankMartinoff/12johannmartinoffdocsarcopics003.jpg
Maybe David is able find something..
......also nothing is something!
In Chapter One, Page Six, entry No. Eleven is entered one Ivan Feodorovich Martynov who is a contemporary of your Ivan. He is placed in Saratov in 1704 and in the Yaroslav Governate in 1722.
Another Ivan from the same time period can be found in Chapter One, Page Eleven, entry No. Twenty-three is entered one Ivan Kyrillovich (senior) Martynov. Voivode (Provincial Military Commander) of Samara in 1736.
Another can be found in Chapter One, Page Twelve, entry No. Twenty-four is entered one Ivan Kyrillovich (junior) Martynov who was a soldier in the Semenova Life Guard Regiment who died without issue.
Another is found in Chapter One, Page Twelve, entry No. Twenty-six is entered one Ivan Nikitich Martynov who lived in Razan in 1722. A Dragoon (mounted rifleman) who died without issue.
A mid-eighteenth century Ivan is Ivan Savich Martynov, Chapter One, Page Fourteen, entry No. Thirty-seven, a Corporal in the Semenova Life Guard Regiment who also died without issue.
A Ivan Mikhailovich Martynov is in Chapter One, Page Twenty-seven, entry No. Fifty-nine who died in 1752 at Lipyargah (a place unknown to me).
I hope that something here is of value to you.
Hello David,
thank you very much for your help
I can’t place anybody at the moment…but please don’t delete it
just in case I need to cross reference it at a later point in time!
Thank you and I sincerely hope you’ll feel better soon!
Best wishes,
Frank
I know I chewed through this in Germany,
but I always seem to run into a wall of silence
or a wall of limited of knowledge !
I can’t help but to wonder why I can’t find anything (or extremely limited amount) about him!
Readers in the US should be able to read following!!!
Quote from this site!
Page 293
Year 1876
"""Am 22., dem Namensfeste Ihrer Majestät der Kaiserin und Ihrer Kaiserl. Hoheit der Großfürstin-Thronfolger, hielt der aus St. Petersburg hier angelangte, frühere hiesige Universitäts-Caplan,
Domherr an der Maltheser-Kirche des heil. Johannes von Jerusalem, Canonicus und Ordensmitglied Adolph Martynoff
die Messe in der hiesigen Univ.-Kirche Visit. St. Bened. Virg."""
The old "y" in Martynoff is being confused by the computer with an "h"
....it reads Marthnoff
Same year 1876
Bottom of page 306 and top of 307
"""D o r p a t.
Der aus St. Petersburg hier anwesende Canonicus Martynoff (aus Riga gebürtig) hat an dem Geburtsfeste Ihrer Kaiserl. Maj. und an den darauf folgenden Kirchentagen gleichfalls die Messe gehalten."""
in 1880 or 1882 they wanted to elect him to Bishop of Wilna!
He was canon at this church!
http://spb-svu.nm.ru/museum-2.html#MMM2
The two links I had found in Russia are now removed,
or my access was revoked/denied/forbidden!
If any of you could help me with further information about him
...it would be much appreciated !
Thank you for your help!
With my best regards,
Frank
Frank Martinoff;73515 wrote:
"Am 22., dem Namensfeste Ihrer Majestät der Kaiserin und Ihrer Kaiserl. Hoheit der Großfürstin-Thronfolger, hielt der aus St. Petersburg hier angelangte, frühere hiesige Universitäts-Caplan, Domherr an der Maltheser-Kirche des heil. Johannes von Jerusalem, Canonicus und Ordensmitglied Adolph Martynoff die Messe in der hiesigen Univ.-Kirche Visit. St. Bened. Virg."""
Do you understand German, if so no need to translate. See comments below.
Frank Martinoff;73515 wrote:
"""D o r p a t.
Der aus St. Petersburg hier anwesende Canonicus Martynoff (aus Riga gebürtig) hat an dem Geburtsfeste Ihrer Kaiserl. Maj. und an den darauf folgenden Kirchentagen gleichfalls die Messe gehalten."""
Dorpat is the present day city of Tartu, Estonia, the name Dorpat was used by the German, Swedish and Russian rulers.
He was canon at this church!
http://spb-svu.nm.ru/museum-2.html#MMM2
The church as you call it is actually the Vorontsov Palace which has been a junior military academy since the reign of Paul I. At the rear of the building are two chapels, the Cathoilc one the ground level and the Orthodox on the next floor above it if I remember correctly. These are known as the Maltese Chapels as they were constructed for the new Russian knights of the Order of Saint John of Jerusalem when Emperor Paul I became the de facto grand master. The palace itself became the l’Ecole des Corps des Pages in 1810 and trained boys from the highest noblility for military and court life. After the Revolution the building again housed young military cadets, this time as the Suvorov Academy.
Thank you David for organizing my question better!
Just a little extra information:
If the Papal Nuntius Cardinal Jacobi (Vienna) is correct,
he was only 27 years old at the time he was "ordained" in St. Petersburg!
Les accords de Vienne et de Rome entre le Saint-Siège et la Russie, 1880-1882
Here named as "Martynhoff"
Pages 240 and 220
Some
"Vital Dates"
April, 19th, 1873 chaplain in Tartu aka. Dorpat
4. June1874 intermittent chaplain in St. Petersburg
(Corps des Pages a. Maltese Chapel)
on 14. Aug. 1874 ordained as full chaplain
29. January 1876 ordained as canon!
(Corps des Pages a. Maltese Chapel)
Frank Martinoff;73518 wrote:
Just a little extra information:
If the Papal Nuntius Cardinal Jacobi (Vienna) is correct, he was only 27 years old at the time he was canonized in St. Petersburg!
<snip>
29. January 1876 ordinated as canon!
(Corps des Pages a. Maltese Chapel)
I don’t know about German or Russian, but in English, being made a canon is not being "canonized." Being canonized would mean that he was declared to be a saint, which, for a Roman Catholic, would not have been done in St. Petersburg, nor while he was still alive!
Thank you Joseph,
my mistake ...I should have written "ordained"!
(corrected)
Thanks for pointing it out!
Frank
Just a little summary
(If I am opening here Pandora’s Box, please write via PN)
Адольф Карлович Мартынов
Adolf Karlovich Martynov—-Martynoff-Martinoff-Martynhoff-Martinow
Made his Master of divinity at the St. Petersburg Spiritual Academy!
(date unknown and unable to find a link)
RC Vicar in Riga
April, 19th, 1873 RC Chaplain and University Teacher at the University in Tartu/Dorpat
June.4th.1874 interim Chaplain at the (Corps des Pages and the Maltese Chapel)
http://spb-svu.nm.ru/museum-2.html#MMM2
Aug.14th. 1874 ordained as Chaplain
Jan. 29th 1876 ordained as Canon and (Domherr ???) of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem
http://spb-svu.nm.ru/museum-2.html#MMM2
1880 or 1882 elected by Russia to be the new Bishop of Wilna,
due to political reasons rejected by the Vatican-or Cardinal Jacobi Vienna
(I assume political reasons, I remember that Wilna received no Bishop till about 1910)
He was active in St. Petersburg till about 1890??? or longer???
His parents were:
Carl August Martinoff born 1821 + 1863.11.XI
oo
Anna born Letschtschewska (Lechchev-wski-y)???
Carl August is the brother
of
Johann Friedrich—-
aka Friedrich Johann Martinoff
I don’t know how to translate the title (Domherr)??? of the Maltese Order!
I’m not a moderator so offer this merely as an observation: isn’t this rather far afield from the focus of this forum, which is heraldry? I’m sure the biography of the Rev. Fr. Martynov is a fascinating subject, but…