Tabards—Just for fun

 
Michael Y. Medvedev
 
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07 March 2010 04:39
 

Dear Joseph, thank you for posting that image again.

I would use a golden helmet for a Sovereign armiger; but there is a logic in assigning a simple helmet to a Sovereign state, showing that any public bodies up to the Federation are not essentially higher than a singular human being.

BTW as a Scot and an admirer of medieval armory, you used a helmet which is seen in Germany (and some other parts of the Old World) as an attribute of an Uradel. Taking in consideration the amount of Americans of Middle-European descent, it would be maybe better to use a tilting one, how do you think? wink


Guy Power;75411 wrote:

Hokay ... how’s about for the PRK?

Dear Guy, no proper arms - no tabard, I am afraid… Strictly speaking, the State seal displays only one element which may be interpreted as a coat of arms - that is, Or a winged head of Medusa Ppr.

But California deserves better, does not she?

 
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07 March 2010 10:04
 

Michael Y. Medvedev;75420 wrote:

Dear Joseph, thank you for posting that image again.

I would use a golden helmet for a Sovereign armiger; but there is a logic in assigning a simple helmet to a Sovereign state, showing that any public bodies up to the Federation are not essentially higher than a singular human being.

BTW as a Scot and an admirer of medieval armory, you used a helmet which is seen in Germany (and some other parts of the Old World) as an attribute of an Uradel. Taking in consideration the amount of Americans of Middle-European descent, it would be maybe better to use a tilting one, how do you think?


I should have given the background—it was prompted by one of those acrimonious discussions on rec.heraldry or somewhere in which the usual parties asserted that the crest of the U.S. arms isn’t a proper crest because it could not be mounted on a medieval knight’s helmet, and inspired by a picture from one of the early armorials (the style of which I copied in the helm and mantling) showing that many early crests were flat plates in flamboyant shapes.

 

If I had time and enough confidence in my ability to draw knights and horses, however, a fun follow-up to tabards might be doing the US and state arms in the mode of the Golden Fleece armorial.

 
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07 March 2010 11:53
 

Dear Joseph,

It is nice enough (as all you do) to avoid unnecessary compliments. As a real crabbit, may I wonder instead, why did you insert the wreath? Indeed it was prudent to demonstrate it to the mixed audience, but entre nous its presence is hardly justified.

As to the equestrian image, it probably would be more appropriate to emblazon it with the Presidential crest (as below… excuse me for a rough hastily-made drawing).

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_sPiVp5N3GVk/S5PWKW-l21I/AAAAAAAAA-Y/PcclkSM5Y3E/s288/Фото0522.jpg

P.S. The vice-presidential crest looks identical - but the two crests of office may be made distinct by filling the space between the rays with Az for President, and either using Arg or leaving the space void for Vice-President.

It seems that if these crests may be borne, as a matter of courtesy, by ex-incumbents, this would solve some [theoretical] problems previously discussed in this Forum.

 
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07 March 2010 13:06
 

Considering the state our state is in, I’m surprised we’re still using a virgin goddess.

Remember this proposed design for the California state quarter? Go here:

 

http://www.quarterdesigns.com/proposed/californ.html

 

Scroll down to "Other finalists in internet poll." and look at the design in the second row down, far right.

 

We gave up that hottie for dour ol’ John Muir.  Shame on California, I say.

 

 

Perhaps we need a "Hottest Girl on an Heraldic Device" thread.

 
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07 March 2010 13:23
 

Michael Y. Medvedev;75425 wrote:

Dear Joseph,

It is nice enough (as all you do) to avoid unnecessary compliments. As a real crabbit, may I wonder instead, why did you insert the wreath?


I think probably because the picture I was working from had one, but I don’t remember for sure.  Maybe to give an opportunity to work both red and blue into the livery colors.


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As to the equestrian image, it probably would be more appropriate to emblazon it with the Presidential crest (as below… excuse me for a rough hastily-made drawing).

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_sPiVp5N3GVk/S5PWKW-l21I/AAAAAAAAA-Y/PcclkSM5Y3E/s288/Фото0522.jpg


My rough and hastily made pictures should look so good!

 
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08 March 2010 11:45
 

Joseph Staub;75426 wrote:

Considering the state our state is in, I’m surprised we’re still using a virgin goddess.

Remember this proposed design for the California state quarter? Go here:

 

http://www.quarterdesigns.com/proposed/californ.html

 

Scroll down to "Other finalists in internet poll." and look at the design in the second row down, far right.

 

We gave up that hottie for dour ol’ John Muir.  Shame on California, I say.

 

 

Perhaps we need a "Hottest Girl on an Heraldic Device" thread.


http://www.quarterdesigns.com/proposed/californ/coin12_lg.gif

 

Hubba-hubba!

 
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08 March 2010 18:44
 

I think Eureka Herald is a good name for the California Herald.

 
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13 March 2010 19:21
 

kimon;74405 wrote:

Since we’re a republic, how about taking Michael’s suggestion and calling them "Governors". So, the primary could be "Washington Governor of Arms"


Why not just "Chief Herald of the United States", who could then be assited by a couple of "Deputy Cheif Heralds" if you wish, and by a team of other heralds and pursuivants.

 
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14 March 2010 12:35
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14 March 2010 12:56
 

eeeeew

 
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14 March 2010 13:02
 

gselvester;75477 wrote:

eeeeew


As Glenda would ask, is that a good eeeew or a bad eeeew?

 
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14 March 2010 13:27
 

leaning toward bad

 
Joseph McMillan
 
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14 March 2010 14:00
 

gselvester;75480 wrote:

leaning toward bad


For the arms, I hope…

 

http://americanheraldry.org/pages/uploads/State/us-de.gif

 

...and not the tabard specifically.

 

(Or is it a comment on the state?)

 
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06 October 2011 20:19
 

It is my understanding that heraldic tabbards or surcoats were worn in the Middle Ages by armored knights as a means of displaying their armorial bearings (hence the term "coat of arms") for the purpose of identification. Does anyone know if this custom was current through the development of full plate armor?

 
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19 October 2011 20:22
 

OK, jumping in late with the Lone Star Herald.

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