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02 May 2011 20:24
 

J. Stolarz;82390 wrote:

Then for the sake of options.  It, without ermine

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I agree that this is nice without the ermine spots. I almost didn’t put them on there when I was drawing it, but I wanted Jesse to see his idea as presented. I think this would be a really nice coat of arms with the bear as a nice crest. I think that’s a winner right there.

 
 
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02 May 2011 20:27
 

Just throwing this out there because I’d already put it together. Another variation on a theme:


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02 May 2011 21:39
 

J. Stolarz;82390 wrote:

Then for the sake of options.  It, without ermine

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p122/BrokenChainsX/Arm.png


Oh wow!  Thanks for makin these Kenneth and Josh!  I’ve been trying to put them together myself but having a hard time on illustrator.  I gotta say, this is the one that jumped out at me the most (with and without the ermine.  I like them both).  I’m on my phone right now I’ll reserve complete judgment until I get home from work later tonight.  Can I make one request though?  Is it possible to see one with three oak branches/acorns instead ofthe three stars?  I like the idea of keeping that for the canting.

 
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02 May 2011 21:45
 

Just throwing out an idea here, rough draft of course.

Gathering all the elements desired on the shield.

 

Three stars per fess in cheif

A Double arched Fess (the book or the CA. hills)

Passant Bear

 

I am showing different tincture ideas yet the third one stays within the three tinctures, were as, the top two would be four tinctures.

 

http://www.customgiftsandarts.com/heraldry/cjar_coa3.jpg

 
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02 May 2011 21:58
 

Kenneth Mansfield;82321 wrote:

It is my personal opinion that using the fur Ermine to allude to a bear is as ridiculous as using the animal Ermine to allude to a bear. Aside from that, the composition of these examples doesn’t look very good to me. Other opinions may differ.


Funny, how someone pretty much bashes your idea only to see a FUR come into other peoples design work.

 

Ken, my honest opinion on this comment is… I was THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.  A fur can represent ANY fur bearing animals for symbolic purposes.  Seeing the fur on the shield with the bear in the crest, if JCar ends up choosing such element, I would think cause an association recognization situation.  Using the fur would help with simplicity on the sheild as well.

 
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02 May 2011 22:05
 

jcar;82393 wrote:

Is it possible to see one with three oak branches/acorns instead ofthe three stars?  I like the idea of keeping that for the canting.

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02 May 2011 22:09
 

kkb-ia;82395 wrote:

Funny, how someone pretty much bashes your idea only to see a FUR come into other peoples design work.

The difference being Jesse is the OP and the person requesting help.


kkb-ia;82395 wrote:

Ken, my honest opinion on this comment is… I was THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.  A fur can represent ANY fur bearing animals for symbolic purposes.  Seeing the fur on the shield with the bear in the crest, if JCar ends up choosing such element, I would think cause an association recognization situation.  Using the fur would help with simplicity on the sheild as well.

I respectfully disagree. Ermine represents ermine - the dark spots being the dark tail of the ermine - just as Vair represents squirrel fur sewn with alternating dark back and light belly.

And please, my name is Kenneth.

 
 
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02 May 2011 22:21
 

I like Kenneth’s post 57 and post 65 with acorns slipped. <thus sayeth the peanut gallery>

 
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02 May 2011 22:50
 

Kenneth Mansfield;82396 wrote:

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I like both of the ones without the gold.  Nice.

 
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02 May 2011 23:00
 

Kenneth Mansfield;82386 wrote:

Which led me to another idea, Azure between three Acorns slipped and leaved a Bear passant Or.


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I really like this one.

Then again, I’m partial to the simpler dual-tincture shields.  wink

 
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02 May 2011 23:15
 

While I still prefer it with the stars, the one with the acorn branch done in argent is pretty nice as well.

 
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02 May 2011 23:43
 

http://www.customgiftsandarts.com/heraldry/cjar_coa3.jpg

If only the bear was dancing this could be nice arms for Jerry Garcia. wink

 
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03 May 2011 01:21
 

Those arms look African somehow.

 
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03 May 2011 03:19
 

I gotta say, seeing these on my computer screen is nice.  I think my favorite is still the one with the stars and no ermine (although I really do the line ermine as well).  It just seems to pop and be bold.  And I agree, using the bear and other ideas I originally had up on the crest would really stand out nicely.  This is most definitely a contender.  It has passed to the "Refrigerator Round"!

I didn’t like the acorns as much because for some reason the acorns just look a little silly to me.  I like the white branches but don’t love it which kinda makes me sad because I’m really starting to like the idea of the oak leaves as a cant.  That’s not something I had ever thought about before and now I really want to try and include that somehow.

 

I did some cutting and pasting of the various versions and put this together as just another subtly different option.  Not sure how I feel about it just yet.  Like it, but don’t necessarily love it.  Sorry, don’t know how to insert a picture for everyone to see so it’s an attachment.

 
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03 May 2011 03:23
 

Kenneth Mansfield;82386 wrote:

Which led me to another idea, Azure between three Acorns slipped and leaved a Bear passant Or.


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I actually really love this one as well.  Back at the very beginning of this I probably would have said yes right away because it’s blue and gold and a bear.  It’s definitely "me".  Now I’m really leaning to the green, black, and white to try and tie in more of the family past.  Is there a way you can make it a white background with green branches and a black bear?  I know we’d be adding a 3rd tincture which would defeat the purpose of the 2 color scheme but I’d love to see how that looks.