Polish Heraldic Community

 
J. Stolarz
 
Avatar
 
 
J. Stolarz
Total Posts:  1483
Joined  30-11-2007
 
 
 
08 May 2011 12:56
 

Wow, an interesting analogy to say the least.  Yet somehow it makes sense

 
Kathy McClurg
 
Avatar
 
 
Kathy McClurg
Total Posts:  1274
Joined  13-03-2009
 
 
 
08 May 2011 19:06
 

Kenneth Mansfield;82677 wrote:

If you think taking the top bun (along with the mayonnaise, lettuce and tomato) off your hamburger and putting it on your chicken sandwich is SIMILAR to putting your entire hamburger on top of your chicken sandwich, I concede your point. I just tend to disagree. But that’s the wonderful thing about the free world, isn’t it? :-?

 
Michael F. McCartney
 
Avatar
 
 
Michael F. McCartney
Total Posts:  3535
Joined  24-05-2004
 
 
 
09 May 2011 15:57
 

IIRC (and maybe I don’t) neither AHS nor our Polish bretheren are the first to use three shields on a chief—doesn’t South Africa have something similar?  (I’m not where I can readily check this)

 
Joseph McMillan
 
Avatar
 
 
Joseph McMillan
Total Posts:  7658
Joined  08-06-2004
 
 
 
09 May 2011 17:40
 

Michael F. McCartney;82703 wrote:

IIRC (and maybe I don’t) neither AHS nor our Polish bretheren are the first to use three shields on a chief—doesn’t South Africa have something similar? (I’m not where I can readily check this)


It’s "check the website" day.

 

http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Registration.Foreign#toc23

 

Lots of arms with three shields (probably deriving from the traditional arms associated with painters’ guilds in Europe), but none of the official heraldic authorities on our page have them on a chief.

 

http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/uploads/Registration/saboh.gif

 
David Pope
 
Avatar
 
 
David Pope
Total Posts:  559
Joined  17-09-2010
 
 
 
09 May 2011 19:55
 

Perhaps my question is covered already in an old thread here on the forum, but I can’t find an answer through the search feature.

Doesn’t the Society’s arms violate the tincture rule?  My understanding is that a chief is technically "placed" on the shield vice a line of partition, so in this case it would be azure placed on gules?

 

David

 
Kenneth Mansfield
 
Avatar
 
 
Kenneth Mansfield
Total Posts:  2518
Joined  04-06-2007
 
 
 
09 May 2011 20:39
 

David Pope;82709 wrote:

Doesn’t the Society’s arms violate the tincture rule?  My understanding is that a chief is technically "placed" on the shield vice a line of partition, so in this case it would be azure placed on gules?

A chief is often (always?) included in the list of ordinaries, so you would think the answer to your question is "yes." In reality, however,  a chief acts more like a division of the field, displacing elements that would otherwise take up the entire shield. Some people argue that it is a violation, others that it deserves exception. I can’t think of any (granting) authorities that hold fast to the former.

 
 
Michael F. McCartney
 
Avatar
 
 
Michael F. McCartney
Total Posts:  3535
Joined  24-05-2004
 
 
 
10 May 2011 22:53
 

Joe—thanks!—I just got it upside-down…

The arms are quite nice!

 
Tomasz Steifer
 
Avatar
 
 
Tomasz Steifer
Total Posts:  15
Joined  14-12-2009
 
 
 
16 June 2011 19:36
 

Jeremy Corbally-Hammond;82527 wrote:

Does the coat of arms for the Polish Heraldic Community look familiar to you?

Thoughts?

 

http://novaheraldia.net/


Hi all!

I’m sorry that so late turn to the discussion, and I apologize for my poor English.

I am vice chairman of Polish Heraldry Community "Nova Heroldia" and while I am the author of this coat of arms.

My error, sorry, by designing this emblem, that I only checked whether the Polish coats of arms (personal and company) does not like it. AHS arms I knew not at that time (2005), and of course I could not be modeled on it. It is clear however that the designers thought of coats of arms are following similar paths. No wonder - the basic rules of heraldry, Charges, Ordinaries, Tinctures are the same everywhere.

 

A year ago, Nova Heroldia, a private company, was transformed into a society Polish Heraldry Community "Nova Heroldia." Still, we are working on improving our statutes. I think this is an opportunity to slightly change the coat of arms, if it is really necessary.

 

I, like several Participants of this discussion that there are fundamental differences in the two coats of arms, and the similarities are not necessarily a bad thing - in fact emphasize our common the passion and interest - heraldry.

 

If, however, AHS officially asks for change in our arms, is due to the fact that your arms like I was earlier, we are ready to change or modify our arms.

 

I can not agree with the accusation that our arms are not in the Polish style. Poland is in Europe and are in it for centuries regarded European rules of heraldry. The original Polish heraldry often derived from the linear character of ownership, or maybe the runes. Typical of many Polish coats of arms are precisely those linear marks, in addition to horseshoes, crescents, arrows and crosses Pate. But there are many old polish coats of arms, in which they are honorable and subordinaries Ordinaries. Chief (in Polish Głowica) also occurs in several coats of arms.

 

regards

 

Tomasz Steifer

 
Jeremy Keith Hammond
 
Avatar
 
 
Jeremy Keith Hammond
Total Posts:  789
Joined  20-06-2008
 
 
 
16 June 2011 20:55
 

Tomasz - that’s generous of you to offer changing it, but I hardly think it’s necessary. I only pointed out the similarity because it was interesting - not to incite anything.

I don’t at all speak for the society, but I doubt you’ll receive a request to change it. At least I would be surprised.

 
Michael F. McCartney
 
Avatar
 
 
Michael F. McCartney
Total Posts:  3535
Joined  24-05-2004
 
 
 
16 June 2011 22:55
 

I second Jeremy’s comments.  The arms are nice, and while somewhat similar to ours the resemblance is certainly not so close as to offend.  Use them long and happily.

 
Tomasz Steifer
 
Avatar
 
 
Tomasz Steifer
Total Posts:  15
Joined  14-12-2009
 
 
 
17 June 2011 03:24
 

Jeremy Corbally-Hammond;84907 wrote:

Tomasz - that’s generous of you to offer changing it, but I hardly think it’s necessary. I only pointed out the similarity because it was interesting - not to incite anything.

I don’t at all speak for the society, but I doubt you’ll receive a request to change it. At least I would be surprised.

Michael F. McCartney;84911 wrote:

I second Jeremy’s comments.  The arms are nice, and while somewhat similar to ours the resemblance is certainly not so close as to offend.  Use them long and happily.

 


Hallo Jeremy, Hallo Michael!

 

I am pleased that these are your opinions. For my part I will add that the similarity of coats of arms of both associations, can also be interpreted as a symbol of traditional friendship between the countries would:)

 

regards

 

Tomek Steifer

 
Jeffrey Boyd Garrison
 
Avatar
 
 
Jeffrey Boyd Garrison
Total Posts:  1006
Joined  10-03-2009
 
 
 
17 June 2011 19:32
 

Mister Steifer,

I hope that you keep the arms the same.  I also enjoy the similarity.

 
Aquilo
 
Avatar
 
 
Aquilo
Total Posts:  278
Joined  02-10-2010
 
 
 
22 June 2011 09:00
 

Quote:

Originally posted by Tomasz Steifer:

I am pleased that these are your opinions. For my part I will add that the similarity of coats of arms of both associations, can also be interpreted as a symbol of traditional friendship between the countries


Well said Tomasz, I second you:)

These three charges Argent appearing in chief have specific meaning and if you could explain what you had in mind while designing arms it would be only to our benefit to understand better you decision .Knowing our heraldic past I bet they are our old armorials wink or maybe a promise of better ones ??

 

 

Greetings to all,

Anna B-K

 
ninest123
 
Avatar
 
 
ninest123
Total Posts:  1703
Joined  29-06-2017
 
 
 
27 September 2018 05:02
 

20180927 xiaooudsad
pandora charms sale clearance
kate spade sale
moncler outlet online
burberry outlet store
coach outlet online
adidas crazy
ralph lauren femme
michael kors outlet clearance
mizuno shoes
michael kors outlet clearance
chrome hearts online store
north face outlet
pandora charms sale clearance
michael?kors?outlet?online
givenchy handbags
yeezy boost 350
coach outlet online
michael kors outlet online
hermes belts
cheap oakley sunglasses
kate spade sale
michael kors bags
fitflops
texans jerseys
longchamp bags
coach outlet online
canada goose outlet store
ugg outlet
ralph lauren outlet
swarovski jewellery
uggs outlet
supreme t shirts
mbt
christian louboutin shoes
bottega veneta outlet online
coach outlet store
nike revolution
ferragamo shoes
pandora outlet
michael kors outlet clearance
jordan retro
christian louboutin shoes
prada shoes for men
canada goose jackets
mont blanc pens
jordan 4
pandora outlet
bvlgari outlet
ugg outlet
balenciaga shoes
coach outlet
nike air max 1
louboutin shoes
canada goose jackets
cheap jordan shoes
christian louboutin outlet
ferragamo shoes
cheap jordans for sale
cheap jordans free shipping
nike outlet store
polo ralph lauren outlet
uggs outlet
fitflops shoes
light up shoes
polo ralph lauren
air max 90
fred perry polo
reebok shoes
michael kors outlet online
kobe bryants shoes
ysl outlet online
cheap nhl jerseys
kate spade handbags
nike blazer pas cher
canada goose outlet store
coach outlet online
ugg boots on sale
moncler coats
cheap football shirts
canada goose coats

 
ninest123
 
Avatar
 
 
ninest123
Total Posts:  1703
Joined  29-06-2017
 
 
 
12 October 2018 04:20