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08 October 2011 06:15
 

mquigley;88441 wrote:

Hey Kathy,

I elected to have the sealion harp be armless because the traditional Irish harp (as seen on the Royal coat of arms before 1922 when Ireland became a Free State) shows a winged, armless, bare-chested maiden… so the lion’s arms had to go… but, as the old song goes… "you can’t hide those lion arms"... er eyes, well, you see my point.


A Harpy…:)

 
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08 October 2011 07:06
 

Kathy McClurg;88449 wrote:

This factual stuff is depressing…

I’m not quite sure what a Juger thingy is, but given the discussion… She’s probably not my type… maybe a boy lion with big kahunas?  I probably didn’t spell that right either…


See link below.  This is Andy’s version of the Princely Family of Liechtenstein Arms and there’s a regal little bare-breasted ‘Juger thingy’ hanging out in the bottom right hand corner.

 

http://jamiesongallery.com/houseofliechtenstein.html

 
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08 October 2011 11:32
 

I suppose this would be a good question for Joe (but I would welcome a response from anyone with an answer)... How would you blazon the Seal of the Department of the Navy? I am thinking about what it might look like if placed on a shield? What would the motto be? (There are a few that pop to mind… and "A Global Force For Good" ain’t one of ‘em!) What of the crest?

Also, I have seen a line drawing of the original Seal of the Board of Admiralty (predating our Department of the Navy), but I am currious as to the tinctures and blazon. Have you any insight?

 

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08 October 2011 13:10
 

Kelisli;88460 wrote:

Michael, beautiful arms.  The stary wings also remind me of the US Jack wink

 
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08 October 2011 13:33
 

You know, Andy… just a thought… but you might consider taking "work in progress" snaps of my grant as you work on the various elements and publish them in your next book. I would be honoured to have my arms included in any publication with your name on it and it would be fascinating for many of us to "see the artist at work" as it were… And since this is, as you said, your swan song with grants, it might be a way to ensure you wrap up with a bang!

I’m certain young Kate will be peering over your shoulder as you paint the naval/nautical borders… I swear, she will be the First Sea Lord one day!

 
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08 October 2011 14:18
 

mquigley;88380 wrote:

I am sorry to join this discussion so late, as the arms in question, are mine! I am thrilled to have my achievement painted by Andy. I worked with him, particularily on the crest, while I was stationed in Germany last year. The winged sea-lion represents my military service (air-sea-land)... when I was a teenager, I served in the Civil Air Patrol (USAF Aux), then I enlisted in the US Army and served for 15 years before accepting a commission as a naval intelligence officer, where I served largely with SEAL teams!

The anchor is a clear allusion to the naval service, but also a Christian symbol of ‘hope’... I did, for a short time, study to become a Catholic priest and my faith is important to me. In fact, the motto is taken from St. Paul’s Letter to the Romans where he asks, "who will separate us from the love of God?" The motto, "Quis Separabit" is also used as the motto of the now defunct Illustrious Order of Saint Patrick; the Connaught Rangers (a maternal ancestor of mine fought with the CRs in the First World War); and the Irish Guards (a regiment I very nearly joined… since as a dual US/Irish citizen, I qualify to serve in the UK Armed Services). Finally, I have chosen the epistle from which this motto is derived as a reading in my up-coming wedding!

The arms are based, though significantly differenced, on a blazon granted to a distant family relation whom I am not a direct descendant of. I worked with the Lancaster Herald at the College to find a way to honour my ancestor’s arms while keeping mine distinct and unique, hence the blazon before you.

I am not British, per se, but rather Irish (and damn proud of it too!). I qualify for a British grant as my grandparents were born subjects of King Edward VII (albeit in Ireland). So there you have it. I hope that helps answer some questions.

Andy, I cannot wait to see what you have instore for the nautical border!!! Cheers!


Thank you ,Sir ,for this personal presentation. I always like to see ‘real people’ who’s true to life achievements find perfect reflection in their armorial devices.I carry special affection for all those is military forces ,since their services are one of the most difficult .

Congratulations on your new blazon .

 
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08 October 2011 14:54
 

mquigley;88429 wrote:

Hi Ce,

OK… that sounds like the old fruit juice drink we had as kids… remember?

Anyway… I think I do like the stary wings better than the one star before. It has a very American feel and somehow represents my service in the US Armed Forces, where the estoile was a random charge of no real significance. Both look great, but in the end, I think the semee of mullets (star-spangled) wings are best. I hope they grow on you. My fiancee (sp?) also said… "it looks too Hollywood now!" But in the end, I made a convincing argument for the stary wings and we just love it!


Not being an American myself , I find it one of the best characteristics of all Americans ,this sens of pride and willingness to demonstrate their patriotism .

Once I was presented an awesome gift…a Swarovski crystal necklace imitating an American flag ...and only then I thought that this is a bit ‘too Hollywood’ display ...well, like for me smile

But star-spangled wings are great!

 
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08 October 2011 16:44
 

Joe,

I take your point about the so-called "Betsy Ross" flag not being one of the "earliest" examples of an American flag… I meant relatively early, as 1776 is early in US history… but words and facts matter… I stand corrected.

I chose to encircle the harp in my badge with stars as a tribute to my American citizenship and ancestry (just as the harp is a tribute to my Irish citizenship and heritage). The obvious way to show that the stars were an allusion to America was to number them at 13… for the original 13 colonies… hence, the Betsy Ross arrangement.

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08 October 2011 17:00
 

mquigley;88495 wrote:

Joe,

I take your point about the so-called "Betsy Ross" flag not being one of the "earliest" examples of an American flag… I meant relatively early, as 1776 is early in US history… but words and facts matter… I stand corrected.

I chose to encircle the harp in my badge with stars as a tribute to my American citizenship and ancestry (just as the harp is a tribute to my Irish citizenship and heritage). The obvious way to show that the stars were an allusion to America was to number them at 13… for the original 13 colonies… hence, the Betsy Ross arrangement.

All the best.


It will make an interesting badge to paint. I like the sealion on the harp an especially original idea. I think it will tie in nicely to the wing on the crest..as the blazon does not specify a number on the wing we could perhaps show 13 full stars? just a thought.

 
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08 October 2011 17:18
 

mquigley;88485 wrote:

You know, Andy… just a thought… but you might consider taking "work in progress" snaps of my grant as you work on the various elements and publish them in your next book. I would be honoured to have my arms included in any publication with your name on it and it would be fascinating for many of us to "see the artist at work" as it were… And since this is, as you said, your swan song with grants, it might be a way to ensure you wrap up with a bang!

I’m certain young Kate will be peering over your shoulder as you paint the naval/nautical borders… I swear, she will be the First Sea Lord one day!


I think this is a great idea. I will certainly do this regardless as it will show the complex production stages of the design, drawing and painting of well executed document where everything is coherent and flows together. Trust me this will be something to see and as it will be my swan song so I intend to as good a job as I can and bring all my professional training and over 28 years experience to bear.  I think it will make a good addition to a book on heraldry. Thanks for the suggestion.

 
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08 October 2011 19:30
 

Thanks, Andy. I can’t wait to see what wonders you will create on my grant… its such a terrific honour to know that mine will be the last Letters Pattent ever painted by you… a sad distinction, but one I will always seek to be worthy of. I am double-joyed that you will be adding the full royals and the nautical border, since this is "right up your street" as you said! But to think that so many people will have a chance to admire your genius (ok, get out your Wellies!) as they see images of my grant come to fruition… that humbles me. Thank you.

 
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08 October 2011 23:44
 

Andrew Stewart Jamieson;88499 wrote:

I think this is a great idea. I will certainly do this regardless as it will show the complex production stages of the design, drawing and painting of well executed document where everything is coherent and flows together. Trust me this will be something to see and as it will be my swan song so I intend to as good a job as I can and bring all my professional training and over 28 years experience to bear.  I think it will make a good addition to a book on heraldry. Thanks for the suggestion.


Well, for sure now I won’t be looking for a grant - :(

 

I wasn’t anyway - stodgy folks about women with crests, but why get a grant that’s not a Jamieson?

 
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09 October 2011 05:04
 

Kathy McClurg;88504 wrote:

Well, for sure now I won’t be looking for a grant - :(

I wasn’t anyway - stodgy folks about women with crests, but why get a grant that’s not a Jamieson?

 


Kathy, are your arms Registered?

 
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09 October 2011 06:15
 

Hi Mike,

You may have seen this one before on Andy’s facebook wall.  I know you guys have been close friends for a long time now so I’m sure you’ve seen them all.  But, you might not know the story behind it.  Andy painted this for a Korean War Vet.  The stars and chevrons represent Mr. Hitt’s children who are in the military.  In the original version the client asked for a green G.I. helmet and that one had the battle scar on it but then he decided to go with this more conventional one so that his children could use it.

 

http://jamiesongallery.com/hittcopyrightedlink.html

 
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09 October 2011 06:50
 

Andrew Stewart Jamieson;88510 wrote:

Kathy, are your arms Registered?


Registered with the USHR and Armorial Register.  My father’s arms are registered with the ACH.

 

I can trace Dad’s family back to Ireland.  DNA can trace the family back to Scotland (Not good enough for authorities).  I’ve communicated briefly with the Lyon Court, Norry and Ulster and CHI.  The Lyon Court can’t do the grant because we can’t find the Scottish ancestor prior to the family heading to Ireland through traditional means (We know the families are linked and originated in Scotland via genealogy and DNA testing). Norry and Ulster probably can, but they don’t do women with crests and I refuse to give up the dragon, CHI can do it, but given the location of the family homestead - it’s more properly done by Norry and Ulster.

 

On top of all that - I’m adopted - so the whole thing would be a bit shady to any serious traditionalists… rolleyes

 

SO - there it is (and I must say, I’d rather spend my money on artwork than a registration) smile

 

So, I’ve publically laid my claim via the internet - and I’m good with that.