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Has anyone ever seen one of these in real life?

harold cannon

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Posted: 05 February 2012 22:33

I have heard these refered to many times as the beginnings of the clansman buckle and strap in scottish heraldry but I can not seem to find any in existance. Supposedly a chief would give a silver plate medallion that bore his crest to his retainers. This was to be held around the neck by a leather buckle and strap. When it was not in use it was stored flat with the buckle and strap surrounding the crest. Thus was the beginning of the clansman’s crest badge.

Does anyone have any images of such a thing. Below is the only one I have ever seen.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6827387395_637ca7a983.jpg

Guy Power

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Posted: 05 February 2012 23:41

How about a badge of office?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRP0Di9khLlAuM_LqoX7imGs943LUPBctT3f1esfQz_u24zRh9tc6QjvP7CrA

This is the Cronista de Armas’ badge, which I gleaned from this (Seb’s?) site.

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Posted: 06 February 2012 22:09

My more cynical side suspects that the real origin of the strap & buckle "clan" badge was in fact the Garter; but that some observant (or creative) chap may have seen an example or two of the item in Don Pottinger’s artwork above and decided it was a more acceptable and home-grown excuse—er, justification—for the practice.

Which is just fine with me!

harold cannon

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Posted: 13 February 2012 09:22

Here are some of the images that I have found. The last two are more like what I was thinking.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7184/6869585195_25345ac53f.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7037/6869585175_00083e6223.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7184/6869585165_0f82f55fb4.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7180/6869585159_3bb572f698.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7188/6869585189_5c36b18168.jpg

Guy Power

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Posted: 14 February 2012 13:23

harold cannon;92354 wrote:

Here are some of the images that I have found. The last two are more like what I was thinking.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7188/6869585189_5c36b18168.jpg

What’s the story on these?

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harold cannon

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Posted: 14 February 2012 14:07

My understanding is that they are made using a wax seal on a puddle of melted pewter. I think that they are just a pendant someone decided to make.

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Posted: 14 February 2012 14:08

Guy,

They look very much look like livery buttons that have been converted for another use by piercing and introducing a ring to allow to hang in some unknown reason.

My post seems to have crossed Harold’s, so I stand corrected if they have indeed made from a seal matrix.

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Posted: 15 February 2012 06:54

This is the closest to the description given by Harold .

Not Scottish but very very American ...Mohawk Chief , Joseph Fayadaneega called the Brant,the Great Captain of the Six Nations.

Very inspiring hero

www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/indians/joseph-brant.htm

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/indians/joseph-fayadaneega-brant.jpg

George Washington (1772 ) wearing his colonel’s uniform

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Washington_1772.jpg/527px-Washington_1772.jpg

Jan III Sobieski King of Poland wearing gorget with Black Madonna of Częstochowa .

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This is a modern replica reproduced and painted by Tomasz Steifer (registered member of this forum ). What we call in Polish ’ ryngraf ’ represents Dębno coat of arms .

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