Arms of the Most Rev. Luis Tagle, newly installed archbishop of Manila.
http://www.rcam.org/ARCHBISHOP_TAGLE/coat_of_arms/coat_of_arms_image.JPG
gselvester;90593 wrote:
Arms of the Most Rev. Luis Tagle, newly installed archbishop of Manila.
http://www.rcam.org/ARCHBISHOP_TAGLE/coat_of_arms/coat_of_arms_image.JPG
Well, the arms of the see are reasonably attractive. And the galero and tassels are nicely drawn. And it seems to be standard archbishop’s cross rather than a picture of an actual processional cross. And…no, I think I’m done.
Agreed on all counts.
Well for his personal Arms the Archbishop could have done much better.
Marcus K;90641 wrote:
Well for his personal Arms the Archbishop could have done much better.
To say the least!
As a Filipino, I bemoan the fact that whatever passes for a heraldic authority here has very limited jurisdiction and is not in the business of granting or registering arms… at least to my knowledge (I hesitate to suspect that the bureaucrats therein have no clue as to the aesthetics of heraldry… but let us leave it at that).
Most, if not all, current bishops from the Philippines do not have their own coats of arms prior to the episcopacy. When they are thus elevated, they tend to devise their own arms based on their career and desired theme for their tenure. Hence, we have arms that depict a curriculum vitae. A common feature is that the shield is tierced per fess (see the arms of the late Cardinal Sin, and of Cardinal Rosales, Aep. emeritus Manilensis), with each field charged with a different device that may or may not be examples of good heraldry.
EDIT: Here’s a link to Cardinal Sin’s arms in stained glass: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_Arms_Jaime_Cardinal_Sin.jpg
a nice example of how not to design arms
steven harris;97718 wrote:
a nice example of how not to design arms
I reiterate that most Filipinos are not armigerous, and most Filipino bishops only assume their arms upon elevation. That said, my lord Tagle tries to do too much with his arms… and misses the point by at least a mile. Call it CV heraldry, I call it chopsuey heraldry.
Boanerges83;97947 wrote:
I reiterate that most Filipinos are not armigerous, and most Filipino bishops only assume their arms upon elevation. That said, my lord Tagle tries to do too much with his arms… and misses the point by at least a mile. Call it CV heraldry, I call it chopsuey heraldry.
That’s not just in the Philippines. I’d say that most priests in most countries do not assume arms until be are named bishops. The CV-style of heraldry is all too common.
Reason #8128 why the Chruch needs some kind of heraldic office.
steven harris;97949 wrote:
Reason #8128 why the Chruch needs some kind of heraldic office.
Reason #8129 why it doesn’t: heraldic offices are just as capable of perpetrating things like this as any private person, only they are "okay" because they’re official:
http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/uploads/Roll/dinwiddie.gif
Lyon King of Arms (1751) to Col Robert Dinwiddie.
http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/uploads/Roll/hopkins3.gif
Garter and Clarenceux Kings of Arms (1764) to Capt Joseph Hopkins.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeohzt4/MacMillan-Armorial/MacMillan-Mur2.gif
Lyon King of Arms (1964) to William McMillan.
Heraldic Services Division (now TIOH) (1923) to 10th New York Infantry Regiment (now 210th Armor)
Joseph McMillan;97955 wrote:
Reason #8129 why it doesn’t: heraldic offices are just as capable of perpetrating things like this as any private person, only they are "okay" because they’re official:
http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/uploads/Roll/dinwiddie.gif
Lyon King of Arms (1751) to Col Robert Dinwiddie.
http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/uploads/Roll/hopkins3.gif
Garter and Clarenceux Kings of Arms (1764) to Capt Joseph Hopkins.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeohzt4/MacMillan-Armorial/MacMillan-Mur2.gif
Lyon King of Arms (1964) to William McMillan.
Heraldic Services Division (now TIOH) (1923) to 10th New York Infantry Regiment (now 210th Armor)
Heraldic Murphy’s Law?
I thank God and the College that my lord Tagle was not elected, or we would have had to deal with his arms for a pontificate. Let us worry less now until the next Sede Vacante.
