In real life what are the similarities and differences between them. They look very similar in heraldic drawings but I would think that there might something peculiar to each.
The Geneva Bonnet is not a type of headgear but a single specific hat.
From the Wikipedia article on Edinburgh University (but I believe accurate)
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The Geneva Bonnet, a hat which legend says was originally made from cloth taken from the breeches of John Knox or George Buchanan. The hat was last restored in 2000, when a note from 1849 was discovered in the fabric
As far as I know it is of simple "Tudor Bonnet" form.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7e/Tudor_Bonnet.JPG/250px-Tudor_Bonnet.JPG
The bonnet is used to "cap" Edinburgh graduates at their graduation ceremony.
http://www.ed.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.24664/fileManager/graduations-bonnet2.jpg
At Aberdeen where a trencher is used we, with typical student irreverence, called the process bonking - due to the noise.
As far as I know the "Geneva Bonnet" came into heraldry when the Moderator of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland rejected a proposal that - to put him on an heraldic par with clergy of other denominations - he should make use of a galero Azure.
I have always seen Tudor Bonnets worn squashed flat (at events such as academic ceremonies) but Caps of Justice tend to be worn (for want of a better description) fully up and they don’t seem to have the brim of a Tudor Cap/Geneva Bonnet
Here heraldically
http://www.marcenaro.org/marcenaro/Coat_of_Arms/IMAG0003.JPG
Here in reality
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Technology/ap_scalia_hat-kb_130121_wblog.jpg
James
James Dempster;98425 wrote:
Here in reality
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Technology/ap_scalia_hat-kb_130121_wblog.jpg
The hat worn by Justice Scalia was a custom-made replica of the hat depicted in Hans Holbein’s famous 1527 portrait of Sir Thomas More. It was a gift from the Saint Thomas More Society of Richmond, Virginia, presented to him in November 2010 as a memento of his participation in their 27th annual Red Mass and dinner.
Here are a couple of French caps of justice and a better image of a Tudor Bonnet
http://www.ca-paris.justice.fr/art_pix/toque-1.jpg
http://www.ca-paris.justice.fr/art_pix/gants_big.jpg
http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1050805287/Tudor-Bonnet-Beefeater.jpg
James Dempster;98425 wrote:
The Geneva Bonnet is not a type of headgear but a single specific hat.
From the Wikipedia article on Edinburgh University (but I believe accurate)
This may be true in the context of Edinburgh University, just as another university might refer to the mace (a single specific mace), or "the chancellor’s robe" (a single specific robe), but a Geneva cap (or bonnet) certainly is a type of hat which is depicted in portraits of several of the Geneva-based reformers, including Calvin himself:
http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/C/John-Calvin-9235788-1-402.jpg
Theodore Beza
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/france/images/burgundy/vezelay/resized/beza-pd-350.jpg
Peter Martyr Vermigli
And John Knox himself.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/JohnKnox.jpg
Presumably these reverend gentleman weren’t all sharing the same hat!
Now I don’t think the style was particularly associated with the Reformed churches, especially since other prominent figures in the movement (Bucer, Bullinger, Zwingli, Oecolampadius) are shown wearing slightly different versions of what was undoubtedly, at the time, simply thought of as the head covering of a member of the learned professions. Some seem to have worn it with earflaps down but not tied under the chin, others with earflaps folded up, and others with no flaps at all (as on the Tudor bonnet).
Obviously, as James says, it was Knox’s predilection for the style with the earflaps and the tie under the chin that led Innes of Learney to adopt it for heraldic use by clergy of the Church of Scotland.
What I find interesting is that (so far) the only references that I have found to a Geneva Bonnet lead back either to the University of Edinburgh tradition or to Innes of Learney’s decision for the Moderator. That rather suggests that the term Geneva Bonnet (in English) originates with *the* Geneva Bonnet of Edinburgh University.
Of course what that does not confirm is whether it is a type of hat that, under a different name, was specifically associated with the Calvinist reformers, or whether it was simply either the cap associated with those who were Doctors of Divinity (of whatever persuasion) or a popular hat of the time.
James
James Dempster;98445 wrote:
What I find interesting is that (so far) the only references that I have found to a Geneva Bonnet lead back either to the University of Edinburgh tradition or to Innes of Learney’s decision for the Moderator. That rather suggests that the term Geneva Bonnet (in English) originates with *the* Geneva Bonnet of Edinburgh University.
That’s because you’re searching by the more-or-less specifically Scottish term "bonnet." If you look for "Geneva hat" you’ll find references like:
"Geneva hat: a hat of the style regarded as distinctive of Puritan clergymen." (OED, 1901)
And the modern version for sale at http://www.merrell.com/US/en-US/Product.mvc.aspx/29286W/70107/Womens/Geneva-Hat !!
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Of course what that does not confirm is whether it is a type of hat that, under a different name, was specifically associated with the Calvinist reformers, or whether it was simply either the cap associated with those who were Doctors of Divinity (of whatever persuasion) or a popular hat of the time.
Quite true. As I meant to say before, I’m sure the modern name is something applied after the fact to what the DDs and other learned men of the 16th-17th centuries just thought of as a hat/cap/bonnet.
Since we’re on the topic…
Here’s a photo of my daughter sporting a Geneva Hat as part of her Reformation Day costume (she had already dispensed with the fake beard).
John Cow-vin, anyone?
http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=72&pictureid=1960
Very cute, David. Well done to all concerned. 
From The Dictionary of Fashion History (Berg, 2010):
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Geneva hat
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Period: Late 16th and early 17th centuries.
A broad-brimmed, high-crowned hat, sometimes untrimmed, worn by Puritan ministers and others.
David Pope;98450 wrote:
Since we’re on the topic…
Here’s a photo of my daughter sporting a Geneva Hat as part of her Reformation Day costume (she had already dispensed with the fake beard).
John Cow-vin, anyone?
http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=72&pictureid=1960
I would have thought Holstein was more Lutheran territory than Calvinist.
Doh! Obviously not firing on all cylinders, though I’m still wary that contemporaries considered that the style was worn only by reformers of a certain view.
A very similar, though grander, style can be seen here, worn by someone who was not exactly a friend of Knox.
http://www2.thesetonfamily.com:8080/gallery/George7thLordSeton_1.jpg
Of course, maybe the flaps do have significance. To close off their ears to other points of view perhaps. :evil:
James
Joseph McMillan;98453 wrote:
I would have thought Holstein was more Lutheran territory than Calvinist.
Very astute, Joe.
The problem is that if we found a sleeper that resembled the Calvinist version:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Highland_cow_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1278403.jpg
everyone would have asked, "Why is your daughter dressed up like a Presbyterian Wookie?"
Love the wookie!
The appropriateness of the Geneva bonnet for Reformed (Presbyterian) clergy of course harks back to the origins of that faith in Geneva; but beyond that, it reflects the ecclesiastical emphasis on the minister as a Teaching Elder rather than a priest in the RC sense.
