Seabury Memorial Aisle, Aberdeen

 
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28 April 2013 07:27
 

I seem to have a thing against Pennsylvania. No only did I not get a good photo of it yesterday, I forgot to include it when I posted last night. So here it is.

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28 April 2013 16:47
 

These are wonderful emblazonments, even if some are invented. Much nicer than the official versions, in many cases.

 
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28 April 2013 18:55
 

Joseph McMillan;98692 wrote:

How so for Colorado?

The Society’s website shows Colorado’s arms, but here’s another copy. In the official seal the mountains are natural. In this version they’ve been converted to geometry, and the color changed from gules to argent. On the other hand, this version has a nebuly design at the bottom of the chief; a feature missing from the seal.

 
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28 April 2013 19:01
 

Similarly for Wyoming. Here the arms appear to be a a buffalo, as in the state flag. The state’s seal is non-heraldic. The Society’s website doesn’t venture a guess about the arms. They are often said to be as here, but I haven’t done the due diligence of looking for confirmation.

 
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28 April 2013 20:48
 

Justin Swanstrom;98699 wrote:

The Society’s website shows Colorado’s arms, but here’s another copy. In the official seal the mountains are natural. In this version they’ve been converted to geometry, and the color changed from gules to argent. On the other hand, this version has a nebuly design at the bottom of the chief; a feature missing from the seal.


I guess it’s a matter of taste whether to depict mountains or use a dancetty pattern to represent mountains. I like using dancetty on occasion, but the designers of the arms at the cathedral used it apparently without exception. The very gentle hills from the Florida seal even become a chief dancetty—suggesting that whoever designed the arms in the cathedral had never been to Florida.

 

In any case, while I’m a fan of this work in general, I don’t see why the designers would have altered heraldically correct arms (e.g. Colorado, Maine) where they existed.

 
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28 April 2013 22:04
 

One wonders what the source material for the "interpreted" heraldry would have looked like in the 1930s

 
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28 April 2013 23:48
 

Thanks for this—Most interesting!  The artists did a nice job of "translating" the landscape or allegorical seals of many of the states into more heraldic form.

 
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29 April 2013 09:14
 

Mark Olivo;98702 wrote:

One wonders what the source material for the "interpreted" heraldry would have looked like in the 1930s


Pretty extensive, Zieber for starters, plus various books of state flags which (given the design of many said flags) include the state seals/arms.

 
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29 April 2013 14:26
 

I like that some of the seals were discarded in favor of more distinctive state flags.

 
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29 April 2013 16:21
 

Mark Olivo;98720 wrote:

I like that some of the seals were discarded in favor of more distinctive state flags.


Such as California. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen the California’s arms shown as an interpretation of the state flag.

 
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29 April 2013 18:27
 

arriano;98721 wrote:

Such as California. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen the California’s arms shown as an interpretation of the state flag.


It looks fantastic IMO.  They really ought to think about adopting it as a heraldic device.

 
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11 May 2013 04:17
 

Not strictly part of the Seabury Aisle, this is the section of the east window installed by Comper in 1942, showing the arms of the United States and that of the city of (New) Aberdeen. The arms of Old Aberdeen are alluded to by the inclusion of a "bough pot of lilies" with the Virgin.

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11 May 2013 08:18
 

Mark Olivo;98727 wrote:

It looks fantastic IMO.  They really ought to think about adopting it as a heraldic device.

And give up Minerva? Never!