a married/marshaled achievement i just finished

 
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04 January 2007 13:59
 

Here is the achievement of Dr. G.D. McGoff, Pharm.D. (my brother) and his wife Mrs. A.M. Lujan-McGoff in a marital, or marshaled, form.

The base colors used are true blue for Azure, cadmium yellow for Or, paper for the Argent, scarlet lake for Gules, emerald for Vert, and a 30% solution cool grey for the armor and weapon Proper, natural flesh for flesh Proper.

 

The shaded colors used are ultramarine for Azure, yellow ochre for Or, 10% solution cool grey for the Argent, crimson red for Gules, grass green for Vert, 50% solution cool grey for armor and weapon Proper, peach for the flesh Proper.

 

The highlight color is basic flat white.

 

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3902/damienautumnarmscolorvs8.jpg

 

So, I am having trouble with the blazon for both crests; I don’t know what sort of weapon this is called exactly for my brother and for my sister-in-law she showed me a symbol on an award her dad was given recognizing his abilities as a musician, singer and actor by a local Mexican guild for such people. He told me the type of weapon he wanted, but I don’t know its name. Does anyone? And what is this symbol for singers/actors/musicians? I have no idea how to blazon the crests frankly.

 

Blazon:

Arms: Per pale the dexter Azure, on a bend Argent, between two shamrocks slipped an Irish harp Azure, in chief a horse head erased and in base a tower Argent (for McGoff); and sinister, Azure, between in chief rising out of the horns of a crescent Argent, a passion cross Or, and in base a fleur-de-lis Argent, a fess embattled masoned Or (Lujan).

Crest: dexter, issuant from a wreath Argent and Azure, a dexter cubit armin armor Proper, trimed Or, the hand grasping a ??? Proper; and sinister, in front of a sun in its splendor Or, a ???

 
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04 January 2007 14:06
 

The weapon is a flail with a morningstar head, and was used to deliver crushing blows to armored opponents.

 
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04 January 2007 14:20
 

Ben Foster wrote:

The weapon is a flail with a morningstar head, and was used to deliver crushing blows to armored opponents.


I’ve heard it called a mace as well, or is a mace the similar weapon with no chain? (i.e a morningstar head at the end of apost?)

 
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04 January 2007 14:27
 

So the crest for my brother would be Issuant from a wreath of the colors a dexter cubit arm in armor Proper, trimmed Or, the hand grasping a flail with a morning star head Proper?

Or I could replace flail with mace with a morning star head?

 
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04 January 2007 14:33
 

Donnchadh wrote:

Or I could replace flail with mace with a morning star head?


I think so, but i’ll have to consult Wikipedia….

 

Consulted, Ben was right. It’s a flail, a mace is basically an arm’s length pole with a ball or something attachet to the end. A flail uses the chain.

 
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04 January 2007 14:38
 

OK cool thanks Ben and Colin.

Any ideas on the symbol used by the Mexican acting/music/singing guild for my sister-in-law?

 
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04 January 2007 14:57
 

The musical thing looks like a lyre—a Greek stringed instrument often used as a symbol of music.

http://www.buyathread.com/images/WEBDesigns/Music & Arts/lyre.jpg

 
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04 January 2007 15:33
 

cool.

now this particular symbol has a face on the dexter side and a musical note on the sinsiter side. so would it be right to blazon it: on a wreath of the colors a lyre parted per pale Vert and Gules, a pale Argent, with the dexter arm hoisting an actor’s mask in profile and the sinister arm hoisting a musical note?

 
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04 January 2007 15:58
 

Ummm…do you think you can convince your sister-in-law that clutter is bad, and that a tricolored lyre in front of a sun is sufficiently distinctive? The alternative makes my eyes hurt just thinking about it. You could always emblazon the lyre so the two arms (or whatever they are) formed the desired shapes without specifying those profiles in the blazon.

(BTW, I personally would blazon the lyre as tierced per pale, vert, argent and gules, rather than Per pale V & Gu a pale Ar.)

 
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04 January 2007 17:56
 

I really like how you incorporated the Mexican national colors in the lyre. Very nice

 
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04 January 2007 19:57
 

Denny,

Again—you are doing a magnificent job on your emblazons!  How are coming along with gouache and watercolor board (or heavy-duty paper)?

 

The weapon you’ve emblazoned is a flail.  Although the names are often used interchangeably, the flail and mace differ in construction.

 

A flail generally has a handle, chain, and ball.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/5/57/180px-Klassischer-Flegel.jpg

 

Of course the most commonly recognized "flail" today is the nunchaku:

 

http://www.okinawankarateclub.com/images/weapons/nunchaku_l.gif

 

A farming tool that is common to China, Okinawa, and—yes—Europe & America.

http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/pic/1997/flail.jpg

(China, Okinawa, and other Asian grain cultures also had the long-handled flail)

 

—Guy

 
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04 January 2007 20:09
 

A mace has a steel or wooden shaft, ending in a cudgel (ball, ball & spikes, angled blades).  Here are two functions of maces:

Medieval weapon:

http://jagor.srce.hr/hpm/m017400v.jpg

 

Ceremonial 1, Drum Major’s mace:

http://www.leatherneckpipeband.com/images/drum_major_b.jpg

(Hey Marine!  Is you hair cut within regulations?)

 

Ceremonial 2, UK Parliament Mace:

http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/mace.jpg

 

 

Ceremonial 3, University Mace:

http://www.andrewcusack.com/virginiamace2.jpg

Old Dominion University Mace.  You’d be surprised at the shapes & sizes of the various university maces!!

http://images.google.com/images?q=university+mace&ndsp=20&svnum=100&hl=en&lr=&start=0&sa=N

 
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05 January 2007 00:06
 

Joe, I tried. But she chose this to honor her dad. He has passed away (3 years ago) due to an accident on a bridge across the road from their house. So, she is dead set on this symbol. She wanted it in the arms, but I convinced her to move it to the crest. So, I saw it as a win in that regard. Thanks for the info. smile

 
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05 January 2007 01:01
 

Guy Power wrote:

Denny,

Again—you are doing a magnificent job on your emblazons!  How are coming along with gouache and watercolor board (or heavy-duty paper)?

 

The weapon you’ve emblazoned is a flail.  Although the names are often used interchangeably, the flail and mace differ in construction.

 

A flail generally has a handle, chain, and ball.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/5/57/180px-Klassischer-Flegel.jpg


Also known as a "mace-and-chain" but flail is more appropriate

 
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05 January 2007 03:58
 

Nice picture !

 
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05 January 2007 10:35
 

thanks Ton. smile