Martin Van Buren

 
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15 February 2009 15:51
 

Joe,

Indeed, a very well written and informative article. Thank you very much.

 
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16 February 2009 12:45
 

Terrific story, Joe; and excellent job in research. The problem of course when dealing with descriptions of coats of arms of politicians is that you can’t assume what their rivals say or write is fact. Arms on carriages could, I suppose, be that of the carriage maker, or a previous owner, or not actually arms at all.

 
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16 February 2009 17:41
 

arriano;66635 wrote:

Terrific story, Joe; and excellent job in research. The problem of course when dealing with descriptions of coats of arms of politicians is that you can’t assume what their rivals say or write is fact. Arms on carriages could, I suppose, be that of the carriage maker, or a previous owner, or not actually arms at all.

Good point. Rivals can intentionally…err…I mean un-intentionally mis-lead people about their opponent.

 
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18 February 2009 14:39
 

Thanks to all for the kind words.

I have just amended the piece slightly to add a reference that I had forgotten about.  Charles Dexter Allen’s American Bookplates identifies as "probably" Van Buren’s a non-armorial plate with the name "M. V. Buren" in script with a "narrow festoon over it.  This adds a small bit of weight to the possibility that Van Buren didn’t really think of the arms in the painting as "his", but merely as a picture.  Of course, it’s impossible to know for sure.

 
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18 February 2009 21:23
 

Joe,

Check the mark-up on the word ex libris in the below paragraph .... it changed for some reason and is not accepting the italic markups—although the <i></i>  tags are visible in the text.  I’m placing the quote in carats:


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Did he, in fact, even use such arms at all? If so, he apparently did not use them on his bookplate, generally a favorite item for the display of heraldry by those who bore coats of arms at the time. Instead, Martin Van Buren’s <i>ex libris</i> seems to have been just the inscription "M. V. Buren" in copperplate script, adorned with a simple festoon above it.


Cheers!

—Guy

 
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18 February 2009 22:30
 

Oops; confusing BBCode and PMWiki conventions.  Thanks; I’ll fix it.

 
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27 June 2013 14:50
 

Guy Power;99595 wrote:

http://imageshack.us/a/img33/5821/d6gn.jpg


Yes, this is the coat of arms used by the descendants of Dr. Johannes Van Buren, born in Amsterdam in 1678, who immigrated to New York in about 1700, as mentioned in my article on President Van Buren.  No relation to Cornelis Maessen, the president’s ancestor, who was only from Buren, not named "Van Buren."

 
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01 July 2013 16:50
 

Nicely done.  I always enjoy reading your work.

 
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