Jeremy Hammond;59775 wrote:

Argent, a cross quarter-pierced, the horizontal/pale(?) arms vert, the vertical/fess(?) arms tenne.

I think you could also blazon that, "Argent a pale Vert, overall a fess counterchanged Tenne and Argent."

Do pales come before fesses?  That is, any particular reason it couldn’t also be Argent a Fess Tenne, overall a Pale counterchanged Vert and Argent?

P.S.  An excellent design.  Clean, simple, and highly meaningful.

Jeremy Hammond;59775 wrote:

George Hammond is my mother’s father and my mother is not an heiress. Otherwise, I would have designed arms for him first and then mine with a slight difference.

I have my mothers last name because there is no father in the picture (and if any one was worried, it’s not a sensitive issue.) But I can see why you may have tripped on that one.

OK—sorry to have jumped to conclusions. I’d plead in mitigation that we’ve had several people before who wanted to design different arms for everyone in their families, and it drives me NUTS!

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Here are the potential arms of George Hammond:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o158/jeremy6857/george_hammond.gif

The design is taken from another symbol used to indicate him in life. George has been a lobster-fisherman forever. You may or may not know that in order to tell which lobster buoy is yours from far away on your boat, it is painted differently. Every lobsterman has his own design, and I could be mistaken, but I’m fairly sure they have to be registered. They even post one of their buoys on the top of their lobster boat, much like a flag. (Neat little heraldry link there.) At least, that is the tradition Down-East Maine.

His buoy is white with two perpendicular orange and green stripes.

I think this is a brilliant source for an armorial design. If I’m reading you right, the buoy looks exactly like the shield (except for the shape)?

I like the design, and after reading your reasoning it seems like a great fit.

Would the crest be a demi-lobster?

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For a Christmas gift (yep, I’m an early bird) I’ve been thinking about designing arms and emblazoning them for my grandfather. I’ll hit a couple birds with one stone too, because my Uncles (or at least the eldest) would appreciate an heraldic tradition as well.

Any ways, George Hammond, my grandfather, served in World War II and received the purple heart for injuries he received in Normandy. Now, I’m not confident that his good conduct medal, or European campaign medal are worthy of note, but I was wondering if his Purple Heart was of a high enough caliber to include in his armorial achievement.

Here is where this apple, me, will upset the applecart. By and large I support the guidelines. But, this is a place where I part company with it and not because I want to be a jerk.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I believe all military medals awarded to a serviceman/woman could be displayed beneath their shields allowing for good taste of course. I understand the difference between personal and not, and I never served, but, come on here! Any time a medal is given it should be honored. And a military medal should be allowed to be honored beneath the shield of the armiger. I also hold that true for any police/law enforcement medal that can be awarded. No I do not believe including Boy Scouts medals as well…then again the Parvuli Dei medal I got while a scout would look nice…nah… J/K

Joseph McMillan;59778 wrote:

OK—sorry to have jumped to conclusions. I’d plead in mitigation that we’ve had several people before who wanted to design different arms for everyone in their families, and it drives me NUTS!

I understand pet-peaves. And if I do a roll of arms for the descendants of George Hammond, they will be arms that are derived from his. (Except for the children of his daughters such as myself, and my cousin who’s arms I posted a couple messages down HERE My cousin wanted his, and my grandfather deserves his.

Joseph McMillan;59778 wrote:

I think this is a brilliant source for an armorial design. If I’m reading you right, the buoy looks exactly like the shield (except for the shape)?

Thank you very much. The buoy isn’t quite the same. Where the orange and green stripes overlap, (which are actually neon on the buoys)  there is an ugly reddish color from where the paints mixed. I thought I’d leave that out. Also, when you turn the buoy, there is a point where all you see is the green stripe.

As for the shape, two dimensionally, they are quite similar. The shield may be a bit fatter.

Dale Challener Roe;59779 wrote:

I like the design, and after reading your reasoning it seems like a great fit.

Would the crest be a demi-lobster?

I’m not quite sure yet. I was trying to think of a way I could honor is efforts in Normandy. I’ll get back to you on that one.

Madalch;59776 wrote:

I think you could also blazon that, "Argent a pale Vert, overall a fess counterchanged Tenne and Argent."

With this blazon, is there any risk the pale and fess would not be the same width? I’m not necessarily partial to the cross, but for aesthetic purposes, I would want to ensure they remain equal.

I suppose if you wanted to go non-traditional, you could use a WWII-era G.I. helmet for the helm.  Going back earlier, for an interesting cant as well as something a tad out of the ordinary, you could use a lobsterpot helmet. :cool:

David E. Cohen;59786 wrote:

I suppose if you wanted to go non-traditional, you could use a WWII-era G.I. helmet for the helm.  Going back earlier, for an interesting cant as well as something a tad out of the ordinary, you could use a lobsterpot helmet. :cool:

Kudos to the gentlemen in other threads who would like modern helmets to mount their crests on, but call me old fashioned. While I’m the artist, and have control, it will be something less anachronistic.

Just a thought.  I actually tend to be of the same mind as to modern helmets, but with a lobsterpot, you are looking at something from the early to mid seventeenth century, if not earlier.

Dale Challener Roe;59779 wrote:

Would the crest be a demi-lobster?

If you decide to go this way, I would make sure the lobster is Proper, not Gules.  You don’t want a "cooked" lobster for a crest!  (Or at least I assume you don’t!)

Kyle=

Kyle MacLea;59789 wrote:

You don’t want a "cooked" lobster for a crest!

Well, what do you think happened to all those lobsters his granddad caught? 

Jeremy Hammond;59775 wrote:

I’m not positive how to describe the arms with different colors, but I’ll give it a shot.

Argent, a cross quarter-pierced, the horizontal/pale(?) arms vert, the vertical/fess(?) arms tenne.

 

Wasn’t it in this forum that we recently had someone quote a communication from one of the English officers of arms to the effect that arms should, if possible, be blazoned to conform to what they look like, if possible?  To me, this design is obviously a cross, and should be blazoned as a cross, as you have done, not with some complicated circumlocution.

Joseph McMillan;59792 wrote:

circumlocution.

THAT… is a new word for me. I’ll be back. :D

... I do agree with you. If we don’t go with the pale-fess route as previously suggested… what would need to change with my blazon?