DDG 1000 Program Seal

 
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15 July 2008 13:40
 

The next generation of USN Destroyers the DDG 1000 or Zumwalt-Class Program has the following nonheraldic Seal:

http://www.gdbiw.com/company_overview/programs/images/DDG 1000 crest.jpg

 

One can only hope that the various Ships of the new Class will get proper heraldic Arms in their Seals.

 
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15 July 2008 13:57
 

I read in Wikipedia that there is a campaign by some folks to name the first of the destroyers for American writer and Navy veteran Robert Heinlein.

Might be interesting to consider what a coat of arms for a USS Robert Heinlein might look like.

 
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15 July 2008 15:26
 

arriano;60686 wrote:

I read in Wikipedia that there is a campaign by some folks to name the first of the destroyers for American writer and Navy veteran Robert Heinlein.

Might be interesting to consider what a coat of arms for a USS Robert Heinlein might look like.


Well, pretty much by definition, the lead ship in the Zumwalt class will be named Zumwalt. 

 

I have to say that, by my lights, five years of peacetime commissioned service and a medical discharge don’t quite reach the level to have a destroyer named after you, no matter how good a writer you might have been afterward.  William Faulkner was a certifiably greater writer than Heinlein, but I haven’t noticed the Canadian Forces naming an air base after him on the strength of his service in the Royal Flying Corps.

 
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15 July 2008 15:42
 

ah america, always back and forth with seals and coat of arms, then seals with coat of arms, then seals with coat of arms that arent coat of arms cause theyre seals.

some form of standardization would be nice grin

 
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15 July 2008 15:47
 

xanderliptak;60705 wrote:

some form of standardization would be nice grin


Welcome to the AHS, right?

 
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15 July 2008 16:46
 

I’ll offer a bit of standardization of terminology.

If it’s not intended to be physically impressed into wax, wafer, or paper, or stamped onto the same, it’s not a seal.

 

If it doesn’t have something that can reasonably pass for a shield, it’s not a coat of arms.

 

The emblem of the DD 1000 program is neither a seal nor a coat of arms.  I’m not sure it’s even a logo.  It is merely a badly designed emblem and is, in my opinion, of no interest.

 
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15 July 2008 17:11
 

We can only hope that when the first Zumwalt-class Destroyer is commissioned that it bears a proper heraldic insignia.

 
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15 July 2008 17:28
 

Jonathan R. Baker;60709 wrote:

We can only hope that when the first Zumwalt-class Destroyer is commissioned that it bears a proper heraldic insignia.


Yes one can only hope that the USN continues the present tradition of Heraldic Insignia for Destroyers and other ships.

 
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15 July 2008 19:57
 

For the (as yet hypothetical) USS Heinlein:

per pale Argent and Sable (or whatever colors you prefer) a demi-cat of the second issuing from the palar line.

 

(What’s Latin for "The Cat who walks through walls"?)

 
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15 July 2008 21:31
 

Michael F. McCartney;60711 wrote:

For the (as yet hypothetical) USS Heinlein:....


I vote for "On The Bounce" used by the Mobile Infantry in Starship Trooper.

 

—Guy (death to bugs!) Power

 
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15 July 2008 21:51
 

My take on the Heinlein:

Sable a semy of Mullets Argent a bend sinister Gules overall a Cannon Or.

 

This is a heraldically correct blazon of the flag of Luna from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (in the book it is blazoned badly).  The motto, from the same novel, would be "TANSTAAFL!" (in actuality an acronym, standing for "There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch!").

 
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27 February 2012 09:00
 

Well I don’t think they will have any luck with their lobbyning.

The first to names are to be:

 

DDG 1000 USS Zumwalt as guessed. Named after Admiral Elmo Russell Zumwalt Jr. (1920-2000), 19th Chief of Naval Operations 1 July 1970- 29 june 1974.

DDG 1001 USS Michael Monsoor. Named after Master-at-Arms 2nd Class Michael Monsoor (1981-2006) a SEAL Killed in Action in Iraq and posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.

 
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29 February 2012 14:46
 

Both worthy choices.  I assume that (semi) heraldic devices will follow in due course.

 
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13 August 2013 13:37
 

The TIOH har on their site presented the Arms and Seal of the USS Zumwalt.

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Heraldry/Navy/NavalShip.aspx?u=9140

 

Not that great Heraldry I think.

 
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13 August 2013 14:38
 

Awful, in fact.

 
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13 August 2013 15:21
 

At least there’s actually a reasonable chance this ship will fly the flag I designed :-D

This boat is being built down the street from me and City Councilors have already discussed starting a tradition of gifting a flag of Bath during ship christenings.