Bishop’s Arms

 
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15 December 2006 13:42
 

The very fine coat of arms of Christoph Cardinal Schoenborn, O.P., Archbishop of Vienna. The arms of the archdiocese are in the 1st and fourth quarters. The third quarter shows the arms of the Order of Preachers (Dominicans) of which the archbishop is a friar and the second quarter shows the arms of his (armigerous) family.

http://stephanscom.at/articles/2003/08/29/a3543/p1/wappen_kardinal.jpg

 
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16 December 2006 11:26
 

CoA of Hans van den Hende, coadjutor-bishop of Breda in the Netherlands.

http://www.katholieknederland.nl/imglib/kn_584494_WapenBisschopVanDenHende.jpg

In first and fourth quarters the diocesean arms the Bishop’s personal arms symbolizes Christin the form of the Lamb of God.

 
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16 December 2006 13:03
 

Today, Pope Benedict XVI appointed the Most Rev. Thomas Collins of Edmonton, Canada to succeed Aloysius Cardinal Amrozic as Archbishop of Toronto.

http://www.archtoronto.org/about_us/images/crest_archbishopc.jpg

 

The archdiocese makes use of an unusual coat of arms (not impaled with the archbishop’s). It is unusual because it uses the galero and cross rather than a mitre as the external ornament. Usually, this indicates the arms of an individual rather than corporate arms.

 

http://www.archtoronto.org/images/arch_crest.jpg

 
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16 December 2006 13:17
 

The arms of the two new auxiliary bishops of Boston John Dooher (top) and Robert Hennessey.

http://s2.excoboard.com/forums/3205/user/85362/359614.jpg

 

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16 December 2006 13:21
 

what is that in the second quarter of Dooher’s? overall i like his.

i’m afraid i don’t much care for Hennessey’s. (i know i’m a jerk… sigh…)

 

also, is is OK for the diocese to do this good Father? i know it is a no-no to have a bishop use the mitre and crozier, but what about the vice versa so to speak?

 
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16 December 2006 13:22
 

gselvester wrote:

The arms of the two new auxiliary bishops of Boston John Dooher (top) and Robert Hennessey.

 

 


Deacon Paul Sullivan’s work, if I can make out the signatures correctly?

 
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16 December 2006 13:50
 

It’s Boston…who else would do it?

The second quarter of Dooher’s is a clam shell, called a quahog. Fans of "The Family Guy" should recognize that name.

 

I can’t say I care very much for either of these achievements.

 
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21 December 2006 09:56
 

Dear Sirs:

I have been in Rome. There are in that city crosses with the upward down: It is a badge that remains St. Peter, but it is so estrange this coat of arms, isn’t it?

 

http://www.dolr.org/crest.php

 
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21 December 2006 10:42
 

No, not really. The use of the cross upside down as a symbol of St. Peter has a long history in ecclesial heraldry. It is not unusual at all. People most often associate the crossed keys as a symbol of Peter but the upside down cross is frequently used as well. I designed arms for Abbot Peter Novecosky, OSB of St. Peter’s Abbey in Sascatchewan, Canada and made use of this symbol:

http://s2.excoboard.com/forums/3205/user/85362/360907.jpg

 

NOTA BENE: At the time of his election St. Peter’s Abbey was a Territorial Abbey (what used to be called an "Abbey Nullius" which was short for "Abbatia Nullius Dioceosis" or an abbey outside of the diocese). As such, Abbot Peter had the same jurisdiction as a bishop and was entitled to use the same green galero as a bishop instead of the black galero of a simple abbot. Since then the territorial abbey has been suppressed and the monastery now comes under the jurisdiction of the local bishop. Abbot Peter, as a duly elected Territorial Abbot confirmed by the Holy See is permitted to retain the use of the green galero. When his successor is elected he will only be entitled to the black galero of a simple abbot.

 
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22 December 2006 02:15
 

I agree with the good Father. I don’t think it is strange at all.

 
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03 January 2007 11:12
 

Donnchadh wrote:

Also, in socialist/communist countries where the Church is suppressed from one degree to another (China, North Korea, Vietnam come to mind) what is the Church’s stance on her clergymen using arms? I know that in Vietnam the government can, and routinely does, go into a Catholic church and basically steal everything from paintings to sacred vessels to vestments. Heck while my pastor was there they took over an entire orphanage, including the chapel, and kicked the nuns and priest and kids out and turned it into governmental offices. So, in paces like this the “law” of the land would seem to not allow much of anything Catholic, so how would the Church see the use of heraldry in those places from a legal standpoint?


A little late answer but as for Vietnam I found the arms of the Archbishop of Saigon Jean Baptiste Cardinal Pham Minh Man.

 

http://www.araldicavaticana.com/images/dom/33_Stemma_del_Card._Pham_Minh_Man_Jean-Baptiste.jpg

 

As for China the Annuario Pontificio leaves the majority of the Dioceses as Sede Vacante so there seems to be little need to display heraldry. But there maybe some underground use. I think the same situation prevails in North Korea. One will also bear inmind that these countires lack a heraldic tradition as we know it.

 

As for Cuba there seems to be a different situation and the opression have decreased in recent years.

 

http://www.araldicavaticana.com/images/dom/SICARI-A_Ortega_y_A0001.JPG

CoA of the archbishop of San Cristobal de la Habana Jaime Lucas Cardinal Ortega y Alamino.

 
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03 January 2007 11:45
 

thanks Marcus. those are very nice arms indeed. smile

i realize these Asian nations have little heraldic tradition, however the Church does and as the Church does so should her clerics. so, in a nation that does not allow much of anything Catholic and the law of the land is very anti-Catholic, i was curious how we got around the ‘whatever the law of the land says’ idea.

 

i too suspect much of it is underground, as everything Catholic in these areas is, well except for the public face of things.

 

my pastor, the good Father Peter, is from Saigon originally and he says there is a public face to Catholicism there, but that the heart of the Church has to operate out of sight of the authorities not for fear of torture or killing, but for fear of theft and extortion etc. so much for the "noble" (such as it ever was) ideology of socialism and communism.

 

but i like both of these arms you posted and i love the Vietnamese one’s a lot.

 
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05 January 2007 06:40
 

Donnchadh, you don’t happen to know the meaning of the Vietnameese motto?

 
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05 January 2007 10:27
 

no, but if i get a chance i’ll ask my pastor, Fr. Peter Dinh, when i can and get back with ya on it.

 
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05 January 2007 12:43
 

Donnchadh wrote:

no, but if i get a chance i’ll ask my pastor, Fr. Peter Dinh, when i can and get back with ya on it.


It would be great.