Naval crown

 
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29 September 2008 08:25
 

In a discussion in another thread there’s many pictures of naval crowns. I took a fast look into the field of crowns and found myself with more questions. smile

 

"The Badge of the Royal Navy is the Naval Crown which consists of a circlet surmounted by four sterns of men of war, each with three poop lanterns, and four square sails each spread on a mast and yard, fully fitted and sheeted home; the ships and sails being positioned alternately."

 

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.3651

 

Apparently the Dutch use a crown showing bows. Wikipedia shows one with thee sterns topped with masts with sail. And I believe i’ve seen some with anchors and another with dolphins.

 

Is there a list of crowns used by different navies somewhere? What’s the usage of naval crowns in terrestrial heraldry?

 

I’ve noticed that there’s plenty of knowledge hidden in the members of this forum. As this comes close to the waters of funny hats, I’m hoping for intense discussion

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29 September 2008 11:05
 

on this website you can see the emblems of the Koninklijke Marine (Royal Dutch Navy)

http://www.nimh.nl/nl/geschiedenis/emblemen/km/

 

most of the emblems are crowned with a Snebbenkroon (a crown of bows), others like the korps Mariniers (marines) use a royal crown.

 
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29 September 2008 11:42
 

Airut;63653 wrote:

In a discussion in another thread there’s many pictures of naval crowns. I took a fast look into the field of crowns and found myself with more questions. smile

 

"The Badge of the Royal Navy is the Naval Crown which consists of a circlet surmounted by four sterns of men of war, each with three poop lanterns, and four square sails each spread on a mast and yard, fully fitted and sheeted home; the ships and sails being positioned alternately."

 

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.3651

 

Apparently the Dutch use a crown showing bows. Wikipedia shows one with thee sterns topped with masts with sail. And I believe i’ve seen some with anchors and another with dolphins.

 

Is there a list of crowns used by different navies somewhere? What’s the usage of naval crowns in terrestrial heraldry?

 

I’ve noticed that there’s plenty of knowledge hidden in the members of this forum. As this comes close to the waters of funny hats, I’m hoping for intense discussion

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It appears that most of the countries of the British Commonwealth use variations on the UK Naval Crown, although South Africa uses part of the national arms instead.  Norway’s navy uses the standard heraldic crown used for all official purposes in Norway.  The Belgian Navy appears to use an ornate version of the Royal Crown of Belgium.  The French Navy uses "tampions" as crests, some of which are heraldic and some are not; no uniform style dominates.  The German Navy does not seem to use crests, so far as I have been able to find, today.

 
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29 September 2008 12:10
 

Yes you are right about the German Navy, they only uses shields 8often of the city for which a Ship is named). The Swedish Navy uses the Royal Crown on their arms. The Danish Navy uses the Royal Danish Crown and places the shield on an anchor. The Russian navy uses a Crown with shipssterns and the white Sails charged with a Blue Saltire making them mirror the Flag of the Russian Navy. From the Crown two bands in the colours of the Russian Flag issuant. Shore based units appears to have only one Stern flanked by two sails. The Shields is also palce on the breast of a Black Dubblehead Eagle.

http://images.geraldika.ru/105/NF_Gremjaschii.gif

Example of a Russian Naval Crown, here the Guards Destroyer Germyashchy.

 

http://images.geraldika.ru/105/weapon_reduction_treaties_center_emb_n10394.gif

A Shorebased Unit, here the Weapons Reductions Treaties Center.

 
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29 September 2008 14:39
 

Caution, friends! This Russian naval coronet is semi-official if official at all. It is new (not based on any pre-revolution precedents) and has neither a confirmation of the Heraldic Council to the President nor an approval of the heraldic service of the Armed forces.

 
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29 September 2008 15:14
 

I gave examples of the crowns used by the Brazilian Navy:

http://www.demoura.com.br/pics/dpc.png

 

and Chilean Navy:

 

http://www.armada.cl/ms/comandante_jefe/imag/escudo.jpg

 

in the previous thread.  Both are similar to, and probably modelled on, that of the Royal Navy.

 

The Argentine Submarine Force also uses a British-style naval crown:

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/barracks/3380/fuersub.jpg

 

As does ARA Chubut:

http://www.mercadolibre.com.ar/jm/img?s=MLA&ampf=34730591_8360.jpg&v=P

 

But the aircraft carrier ARA 25 de Mayo has one in the Dutch (see next message; reached the image limit).

 
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29 September 2008 15:18
 

Badge of ARA 25 de Mayo (Argentina):

http://home.planet.nl/~roden171/fotos/v2patch.jpg

 
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29 September 2008 15:33
 

Venezuela:

http://www.geocities.com/iorfanve/EscudoArmada.jpg

 

Portugal:

 

http://www.marinha.pt/NR/rdonlyres/3336A522-F758-41D5-8D77-E877BFD1893B/823/Jbelo1.gif

 

http://www.marinha.pt/NR/rdonlyres/C0706692-6D6C-4B6E-9982-2E511EFC2110/298/brasao_vg.jpg

 

(The difference in colors in these two seems to be inadvertent.  Both are blazoned Coronel naval de ouro forrado de vermelho, "naval coronet Or lined Gules.")

 

Italy

http://www.wuti.it/wp-content/uploads/marina-militare.png

 
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29 September 2008 16:56
 

So far i’ve only managed to find a dolphincrown from a quite hard to get place.

http://gothamist.com/2006/06/22/up_close_and_pe.php

 
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29 September 2008 17:11
 

dolphin crown but not a naval one

http://www.ngw.nl/int/gbr/scot/shetland.htm

 
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29 September 2008 18:41
 

Michael Y. Medvedev;63668 wrote:

Caution, friends! This Russian naval coronet is semi-official if official at all. It is new (not based on any pre-revolution precedents) and has neither a confirmation of the Heraldic Council to the President nor an approval of the heraldic service of the Armed forces.


Thanks for pointing to the situation, Michael.

 
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29 September 2008 18:45
 

The Ships of the Estonian Navy uses a Trident Crown, an example the arms of the Navy’s Flagship EML Admiral Pitka:

http://www.mil.ee/im/merevagi/pitka_vapp.jpg