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J. Stolarz
 
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05 October 2010 18:58
 

What is the significance of flags in this form…

http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/uploads/Armorial/kamel_ahs_l7.jpg

Obviously the arms is on the left, but then there’s bars of color going through the flag, the motto goes through it, and are you supposed to put the crest on there as well, or a badge, or both?  Little more information on how I could go about properly making one for myself would be helpful.

 
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05 October 2010 20:55
 

This is called a "standard" in British parlance.  The stripes are livery colors; the motto, and the crest and/or badges, are arranged as shown, though not always in this order.  Historically it is the "HQ flag" of someone commanding a "following" but is now granted in England to anyone who asks—for a fee of course.  In Scotland its limited to peers, chiefs, & others with a (perhaps hypothetical) "following."  In the US, do as you please!

 
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05 October 2010 22:46
 

Michael F. McCartney;79598 wrote:

This is called a "standard" in British parlance.  ..... is now granted in England to anyone who asks—for a fee of course.


I just spoke to Lancaster Herald at the English College of Arms on this matter.  AFAIK standards are not technically ‘granted’ unlike arms, crests and badges.  Instead those seeking a grant of arms and a badge have the option of having an exemplification of their standard painted on their letters patent as well.  As I understand it, it is not mandatory and the armiger can simply assume a standard (assuming of course that he already obtained his coat of arms, crest & badge from the English Kings of Arms).  This is my understanding of the situation; please correct me if I am wrong.

 
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05 October 2010 22:50
 

Edward’s understanding is mine as well.

Historically the format was less standardized than it is in the exemplifications prepared by the College of Arms in modern times.  Here are two designs I did based on my arms and some medieval Scottish models, posted here several years ago.

 

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeohzt4/McM-standard2.gif

 

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeohzt4/McM-standard3.gif

 
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06 October 2010 06:20
 

Both are very beautiful Joseph.  Are you currently accepting commissions?  wink

 
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06 October 2010 19:20
 

An interesting spin Joseph, I kind of like the way you did it.  I’ll have to mess around with it some more and see what comes of it.

 
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06 October 2010 20:57
 

Joe—nice standards!—though I did miss your crest, realizing that its optional.

 
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06 October 2010 22:32
 

Michael F. McCartney;79619 wrote:

Joe—nice standards!—though I did miss your crest, realizing that its optional.


I found it nice to see that Joe has a badge!  That would imply at least in British parlance that he had a ‘following’....  Don’t worry Joe, so do I!

 
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07 October 2010 18:32
 

Joseph has a following?  Is that like having Joseph groupies? wink

 
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07 October 2010 20:09
 

You’re saying I’m being followed?!

 
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08 October 2010 00:05
 

Joseph groupies???!!!!  :shock:  It does sound like stalking.  Maybe its better not to have a following.  wink

 
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08 October 2010 15:45
 

So the test is ... you can have a badge so long as you haven’t taken out a restraining order?  I don’t remember seeing that in our AHS Guidelines…

...but then the Guidelines also miss the point that the Red Hand of Ulster (baronet’s badge in England) is really an abatement for jay-walking.

 
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08 October 2010 18:57
 

Maybe I shouldn’t adopt a badge then…wouldn’t want any stalkers wink.

 
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20 October 2010 21:53
 

Alright here’s mine.  Kind of the cool thing I noticed is that on the right side of the banner, it’s almost a verticle repeate of my actually arms since the stripes look cotised with the maple leaf in the middle.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p122/BrokenChainsX/BannerAgain.png

 
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26 October 2010 11:59
 

Very nice.

 
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26 October 2010 18:57
 

Thank you, I’m very happy with the end result.