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11 May 2011 21:32
 

Does that pertain to charges though?

 
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11 May 2011 21:47
 

J. Stolarz;82842 wrote:

Does that pertain to charges though?


Yes. Think of the design as layered, with the field as the bottom layer and charges on top. A parted field is a single layer, with two tinctures next to each other - think of the AHS arms (the chief azure is not "on top of" the field gules - although some countries’ heraldic traditions do avoid placing color next to color).  A charge could then be placed on top of that bottom layer.

 

These are the arms of David Cvet, the current president of the Royal Heraldry Society of Canada:

 

http://www.heraldry.ca/arms/c/cvet_350h.jpg

 

The eagle azure is placed over both the argent and sable quarters.

 
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11 May 2011 22:26
 

Just another exception to add to my mental list haha.

 
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14 May 2011 05:28
 

So, I’m pretty sure I have my Top 3 finalists for the fridge test (well, I’ve already begun the test and these are the three that have already stood out to me).  I have 3 different designs with 3 minor variants of those designs.

A big thanks goes out to Josh and Kenneth who have been gracious enough to create mockups of all of the various designs and ideas I’ve been coming up with behind the scenes.  Some have been better than others but I think these are the best that I’ve come up with thus far.

 

Thoughts about my final 3?

 

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/921/56972484.png http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/347/88617575.png

 

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5859/50737335.png http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3313/60864487.png

 

http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/8981/14104072.png http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6802/47323803.png

 
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14 May 2011 07:52
 

I’d skip the fimbriation in the middle pair.  Either make the chief Argent with black oak sprigs, or bite the bullet and treat the chief as a division of the field ("cousu," for those who prefer the French term) and have it plain black with a green field.

 
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14 May 2011 08:15
 

jcar;83007 wrote:

Thoughts about my final 3?

 

 

http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/8981/14104072.png


Very nice!

 
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14 May 2011 10:26
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14 May 2011 11:02
 

I agree that the bear between the oak leaves and acorns is the best of these. I prefered the version suggested earlier, without ordinary:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e221/pblanton/Carrasco2.jpg

The fess confines both bear and leaves and forces them to be smaller. I like bold.

I also think the lobed oak leaves look better—simpler, easier to recognize—than the pin oak leaves.

 
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14 May 2011 13:59
 

Joseph McMillan;83009 wrote:

I’d skip the fimbriation in the middle pair.  Either make the chief Argent with black oak sprigs, or bite the bullet and treat the chief as a division of the field ("cousu," for those who prefer the French term) and have it plain black with a green field.


The reason I put it in was because I thought from far away the vert and sable would blend together.  Having the little bit of argent would help break it.  But I’m not opposed to reversing the argent and sable to see if would look any better.

 
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14 May 2011 14:06
 

Dohrman Byers;83013 wrote:

I agree that the bear between the oak leaves and acorns is the best of these. I prefered the version suggested earlier, without ordinary:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e221/pblanton/Carrasco2.jpg

The fess confines both bear and leaves and forces them to be smaller. I like bold.

I also think the lobed oak leaves look better—simpler, easier to recognize—than the pin oak leaves.


When I originally saw this design I was immediately drawn to it as well.  But there was something about it that I didn’t like.  I think that it was just a plain argent shield with something put on it.  It just seemed too plain and simple for me.  After playing around with a few ideas, the addition of the ordinary popped in my head and I immediately thought that could be what was missing originally.  Even thought the charges are all a little smaller, I feel like the overall look of the shield has more oomph and is much more striking.

 

But if it’ll make you feel better, I’ve already thought about using the original design for my flag/banner.  That way it’ll still be the design but look a little different.

 
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14 May 2011 16:50
 

jcar;83020 wrote:

When I originally saw this design I was immediately drawn to it as well.  But there was something about it that I didn’t like.  I think that it was just a plain argent shield with something put on it.  It just seemed too plain and simple for me.  After playing around with a few ideas, the addition of the ordinary popped in my head and I immediately thought that could be what was missing originally.  Even thought the charges are all a little smaller, I feel like the overall look of the shield has more oomph and is much more striking.

But if it’ll make you feel better, I’ve already thought about using the original design for my flag/banner.  That way it’ll still be the design but look a little different.


I’m with Father Byers on this one for shield choice.  Undivided field to me is better in general for first assumption in arms - The only reason I didn’t design something that way is because the charges had specific surname and family history meaning and didn’t work well with an undivided field (ravens sable and fouled anchor, Or).  There was also a need to ensure we were quite different from any Murdoch or MacKie arms we could find.  If I had fridge tested longer, I may have used something other than a chevron for my branch of the family, but overall I’m happy with them.  If it’s a matter of oomph, you could consider the field being Or - That stands out more in paper heraldry than argent to my eye.  That’s just me - It’s your arms, you need to be happy.

 

I have no expertise in banners and such, but using the original layout for a banner smacks of not necessarily being recognizeable as you.  I’m for shields and banners being basically the same elements with same color combinations. (if the oak leaves are argent on a vert field in your arms, I expect to see argent on a vert field on your banner).

 
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14 May 2011 19:00
 

jcar;83007 wrote:

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3313/60864487.png


Of these, I would say I like this the best.

 
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14 May 2011 21:11
 

Joseph McMillan;83009 wrote:

I’d skip the fimbriation in the middle pair.  Either make the chief Argent with black oak sprigs, or bite the bullet and treat the chief as a division of the field ("cousu," for those who prefer the French term) and have it plain black with a green field.


Ok, as promised, we tried the chief Argent with the Sable oak sprigs.  Personally, I’m not a fan.  I don’t get the same feeling from this one that I do from my original design.

 

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p122/BrokenChainsX/BearIt.png

 
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15 May 2011 02:58
 

Dohrman Byers;83013 wrote:

I also think the lobed oak leaves look better—simpler, easier to recognize—than the pin oak leaves.


I actually agree, I like the lobed leaves better as well.  However, as I’ve recently found out thanks to this project (special thanks to whomever it was that suggested I go for the canting ), my surname means ‘Holm Oak’ (also known as a ‘Holly Oak’) whose leaves are a little more pointier and sharper (much like a holly leaf).  So I feel like the second set of leaves are actually a little more accurate.  But, to be honest, I don’t mind it either way.  I think that’s something that can be open to interpretation of the artist, just as long as it looks like oak leaves/acorns.

 
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15 May 2011 05:05
 

Kathy McClurg;83021 wrote:

If it’s a matter of oomph, you could consider the field being Or - That stands out more in paper heraldry than argent to my eye.  That’s just me - It’s your arms, you need to be happy.


Is this what you had in mind?

 

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3611/carrasco010c.png