Kathy McClurg;93303 wrote:

Joe, agree we can’t "steal" others artowrk, but… If permission is obtained from the owner of the image, can it be used?.. Just asking from one who has no artistic ability…

We can, but for the roll of early American arms they should roughly fit with the style of what we’ve got on the roll already—simple heater shield, shield only, etc.  Some stylistic differences are inevitable and even welcome, but we don’t want it to look like a total hodgepodge.

Morse arms now added.

Yes - just to confirm - it’s my own illustration.

Joe,

I was looking at the on-line book The Seal and Arms of Pennsylvania (James Evelyn Pilcher, 1902, p. 7) and noticed a crescent cadency mark on R.H. Morris’ arms.

This cadency mark is not reflected in the AHS’ Early American Arms entry:

Quote:

...3. Morris, Robert Hunter (Trenton, 1700-Shrewsbury, NJ, 1764) // Quarterly, 1st and 4th Gules a lion rampant regardant Or; 2nd and 3rd Argent three roundels in fess Gules // 3. Governor of Pennsylvania, arms on seal as blazoned by Bolton; the seal actually shows the lions not regardant. See below.

This book could be cited as an alternate source as it also provides engraved illustrations of the seals of the Penns, Geo. Thomas, James Hamilton, and R.H. Morris.  Hat-Tip to N. Curtis Mitchell who provided the link in his HSS comment regarding Pennsylvanian draft horses and harness.

Regards,

—Guy

Guy,

As the entry you quote says, "See below."

"Below" (two entries below, to be exact) is another entry for R. H. Morris:  "Quarterly, 1st and 4th Gules a lion rampant Or; 2nd and 3rd Argent three torteaux in fess; over all in chief point a crescent for difference."

I have, however, added Pinches as the reference for this latter entry; thanks for that.  I think it’s in Zieber as well.

Also, note that the fact that Morris’s name is in italics in the first entry is the indication that we have no evidence that he actually bore the arms as blazoned in the source.

Thanks Joe.

—Guy

I’m please to announce that I’ve now finished the emblazonments for all the entries on page A of our roll of early American arms.  It looks a lot better without all those empty spaces.

If anyone finds any more arms starting with A, illustrate them yourself.

No, just kidding, but help is always welcome.  One of our members (sorry, don’t remember who) has volunteered to start with the Zs and work backward.  If anyone with graphic skills wants to adopt a letter, let me know.

Excellent job! Thanks for putting in all the work

Good job!!

The emblazonments for the letter B are now complete.

http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Roll.B?action=browse

The four Baldwin arms are a nice display of how to difference different yet related branches of a family and yet showing a common kinship through each design. Ditto the five Barclay arms.

Do you think the arms for Banker use a house mark? Otherwise, a big 4 seems odd.

Yes, the Bancker arms definitely started as a house mark.

Richard Baldwin of Milford Conn—the depiction & blazon don’t seem to match—should there be three pairs of oak leaves (as drawn) or six pairs (as blazoned)

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Michael F. McCartney;97278 wrote:

Richard Baldwin of Milford Conn—the depiction & blazon don’t seem to match—should there be three pairs of oak leaves (as drawn) or six pairs (as blazoned)

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Yes, we (I?  Not sure who) mangled a simplification of Crozier’s blazon:  "Argent, six oak leaves in pairs, two in chief and one in base vert, stalks sable, their points downward."  I’ve made the fix.  Thanks.

You’re welcome!—but what about the parenthetical reference to the particular variety of Quercus?  (Just kidding )