Roll of Early American Arms

 
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20 January 2013 16:59
 

And the images for the letter C are now complete, http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Roll.C.  Four things I noticed as I’ve worked on these.

1.  How popular Sable and Argent seem to have been as a tincture combination.  How few arms do we design today that have this most basic of palettes?

 

2.  Conversely, what a difference it makes to see arms that are usually depicted in monochrome (on a bookplate, silver, a tombstone) depicted in their full glory.

 

3.  It’s said in Germany, I think, that to have a lion in your arms is to have no arms at all, lions being such a cliche as not to serve the purpose of identification.  In English-origin armory, the equivalent is obviously "a chevron between…"

 

4.  Some really clever canting arms (some not so clever as well).

 
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20 January 2013 23:53
 

IIRC it was Farnce—tho’ lions rampant are so ubiquitous that it may well have been said any number f paces.

 
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22 January 2013 18:02
 

Looking at William Colston’s arms, shouldn’t the dolphins be gray rather than green and red?

 
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22 January 2013 19:08
 

arriano;97357 wrote:

Looking at William Colston’s arms, shouldn’t the dolphins be gray rather than green and red?


I hunted around in puzzlement over the blazon "dolphin proper," and found several sources asserting that heraldic dolphins "proper" are green with red fins, etc.  Given that heraldic dolphins only vaguely resemble natural dolphins, I figured this made as much sense as anything, but would be grateful for more authoritative information.

 
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23 January 2013 01:36
 

arriano;97357 wrote:

Looking at William Colston’s arms, shouldn’t the dolphins be gray rather than green and red?


Assuming Joe doesn’t have the right of it, prior to Flipper and Seaworld "dolphin" generally refered to the Common Dolphin, not the graybottlenosed dolphin. Common Dolphins can be Gray, but they’re generally blue-back on top, with a silvery-gold patch on the side.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Common_Dolphin.jpg

 

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23 January 2013 16:44
 

William Colston died in 1701, consequently, the dolphins will ‘heraldic’ dolphins and would certainly not be grey!

I am not aware of any arms bearing ‘actual’ dolphins as in Nick’s attachment.

 

However, if there are they will be comparatively modern - as in the last 50-100 years.

 

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29 January 2013 08:46
 

This announcement is brought to you by the letter "D" and the number 123.

http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Roll.d

 

Some interesting drawing challenges—charges not found in the standard clipart collections, and lots of quarterings.

 
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29 January 2013 09:44
 

Joseph McMillan;97409 wrote:

This announcement is brought to you by the letter "D" and the number 123.

http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Roll.d

 

Some interesting drawing challenges—charges not found in the standard clipart collections, and lots of quarterings.


I’m struck by the similarity between the arms of Thomas Darling:

 

http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/uploads/Roll/darling.gif

 

and Charles Darwin:

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Darwin_Arms.svg/200px-Darwin_Arms.svg.png

 

Is Darwin a corruption of Darling?

 
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29 January 2013 11:48
 

Noting that Crozier didn’t give a source for Darling’s arms, they may well be a back-formation by someone working from Darwin’s.  The italics for Darling’s name indicate lack of evidence of his actual use of these arms.

 
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29 January 2013 16:27
 

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the Douw arms as they reportedly appeared in a 1656 window of Old Dutch Church, Albany, except that the positions of the mountain and tree are reversed.


OK, I had to laugh at this. It’s a window! They’re only reversed if you look from the wrong side. smile

 
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29 January 2013 18:22
 

David Pope;97410 wrote:

Is Darwin a corruption of Darling?


I would characterize it more as an evolution than a corruption.

 
 
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31 January 2013 01:14
 
 
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31 January 2013 07:20
 

Kenneth Mansfield;97422 wrote:

I would characterize it more as an evolution than a corruption.


<groan>

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05 February 2013 12:29
 

The emblazonments for the letter F are now finished.  I’ve also started adding sovereign and corporate arms pre-1825, including the USA itself, the treasury and admiralty boards, the colonies and states that had heraldic arms, colleges (Harvard, William and Mary, and Yale), craft societies, cities (New York is done), and so on.  They are alphabetized by the main word in the name along with the personal arms.  Enjoy.

 
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05 February 2013 14:44
 

You are churning through these things!