Design for Challis - second cousin’s family

 
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02 May 2012 13:46
 

James Dempster;93237 wrote:

What about a chalice charged with a fret of fish, similar to that on the "bough pot" in the arms of Old Aberdeen as quartered by the university.

James


hmmm…interesting idea.  Possible variations could be like seen below - maybe that is too much detail…but hope you get the idea

 
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02 May 2012 19:55
 

James Dempster;93237 wrote:

What about a chalice charged with a fret of fish, similar to that on the "bough pot" in the arms of Old Aberdeen as quartered by the university.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Aberdeen_university_logo.gif

 

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In order to kind of show the armiger this concept.. here’s what I did…

 

http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1083&stc=1&d=1336002875

 

Not very good - wish I could have made the fishy frett big without losing resolution…

 
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02 May 2012 19:59
 

j.carrasco;93243 wrote:

What about keeping the same idea but getting rid of the actual chalice and putting a pall in its place?  The Y shape of the pall could be a slight cant to the chalice idea.  It would actually look very similar to what Michael had originally typed out - )Y(


I tried to do something like that in the first one with the fish a different direction - it didn’t get much support…

 

http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1077&d=1335651027

 
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02 May 2012 20:01
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02 May 2012 20:06
 

Well, Looks like James is the front runner on this - the armiger likes

http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1083&d=1336002875

 

Azure a chalice Or charged with three fish fretty of the first -

 
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03 May 2012 04:14
 

For a first coat of arms, this seems like a good start Kathy.

 
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03 May 2012 05:21
 

I think this is a winner…  but I think I may have blazon confusion:

Azure a chalice Or charged with a fret of three fish Azure;

 

Azure a chalice Or charged with a fret of three fish of the first;

 

Azure a chalice Or charged with three fish fretty Azure;

 

Azure a chalice Or charged with three fish fretty of the first?

 

Does it really matter?...  wink

 
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03 May 2012 07:27
 

Your blazons seem fine to me Kathy.

I would probably use…

 

Azure, on a chalice Or three fish fretted Azure

 

I wouldn’t specify the fish as Perch unless it were the primary charge and large enough to warrant it. Blazoning it "fish" allows heraldic artist an opportunity to be creative in the fretting as well.

 
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03 May 2012 21:32
 

Three of your blazons look OK, but not this one:

"...three fish fretty Azure"

which might be misread as three fish, laid our separately (not in a ring) & each overlaid with a fretty pattern. Interesting perhaps [or not] but definitely not what you have in mind.

 
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04 May 2012 05:59
 

I do like Jeffrey’s…  We shall stick to that one!

Now, to talk the armiger out of using his mother’s dog (which appears to be a corgi mix) in the crest… wink

 

Since mom has 4 dogs, he picks the one which isn’t a readily recognizeable breed!  PFFT..

 

I shall return for further help when we have something I think might be reasonable…  LOL

 
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04 May 2012 06:55
 

I don’t have a problem with someone using a charge blazoned as a corgi in his or her crest. Finding a heraldic artist that can render it without it looking ridiculous is an entirely different issue though. :rolleyes:

 
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04 May 2012 17:53
 

Jeffrey Boyd Garrison;93284 wrote:

I don’t have a problem with someone using a charge blazoned as a corgi in his or her crest. Finding a heraldic arist that can render it without it looking ridiculous is an entirely different issue though. :rolleyes:


Two who spring to mind are Andy and Ljubodrag. Both are quite good at dogs.

A small wager that dragons are o u t? ...... :animlol:

 
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05 May 2012 07:30
 

I don’t have so much a problem with an actual Corgi, but… this is a mutt who looks like he may have corgi in him… they want it to look like this specific dog…

http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1089&stc=1&d=1336217399

 
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05 May 2012 11:42
 

Introduce them to the term "Lucky Charms Heraldry".  And let them know that people who actually know something about heraldry think the idea is silly.

 
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05 May 2012 14:05
 

This is not what I understand by the term "lucky charms heraldry," and why is it silly?  The English kings of arms once granted a crest with a Newfoundland dog; why not a corgi?