I believe it would look out of place compared to what other forms of headgear have been used in the past. Here you will see 2 mens Salvation Army hats and the womans hat in the middle. My fire service hat is not much different as well.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8201/8232708114_e1c2bd6350_z.jpg
If I understand the current discussion, then it seems that the most-agreeable options are either (1) use the helm and crest that you already have assumed, or (2) use some variant of the Methodist-tradition circuit rider as a stand-in for the heraldic ecclesiastical hat (perhaps in blue with red/maroon trim?).
circuit rider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_rider_(religious)
a bit off-topic, Harold, but as a kilt wearer did you know that the SA has an officially registered tartan?
http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails.aspx?ref=3647
The rider’s hat will be what I try to do a rendering of. I think I will try and make a couple of versions and post them here for critique.
I did know there is a Salvation Army tartan. I actually think there are 2 now. the origional one and a hunting varient.
Reverend James Gibson "Gip" Hardin, Methodist circuit rider:
His son: (hmmmmm .... is that a "circuit rider hat"???)
John Wesley Hardin
[apologies, sort of, about the rabbit hole]
—Guy
Getting in late on this discussion, I’d forget trying to use headgear to indicate your role as chaplain. The insignia on your fire helmet offer a much better model. Why not simply place the shepherd’s crook and fire axe in saltire behind your shield?
I think you may have the best idea yet!!!!!!!
Here is a version with the riders hat. So how do you think it works? Well or not so well?
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8387/8588411934_6876f1554f_b.jpg
The circuit rider’s hat seemed clever when someone first came up with it, but it’s so anachronistic with a medieval shield that it now comes across as just as silly as putting a lambrequin and crest on a WWI doughboy’s helmet.
I think the fireman’s axe and crook work fine, although frankly I don’t think you need clerical additaments for your arms. They’re really not the norm outside the Catholic and Eastern churches. Even the Anglican use of hats is a fairly recent (20th century) innovation.
I just think it is fun and educational to try new ways.
i still like the structure fire helmet idea… maybe a cairns new yorker of the proper color for your rank & position with the front, I’m sure some of the purist on here will disagree. If it goes over well I may do a version of m arms with a Blue NY’er with a SOL front.
Well, I think I’m the guilty one re: the Methodist circuit rider’s hat (from way back in rec.heraldry days), though I prefer to draw it looking more like what Clint Eastwood wore in his spaghetti westerns… go figure…
Just a thought, but I have seen a few arms of priests who are members of chivalric orders, which place the insignia of their order above the shield and below the galero. Maybe you could use a blue Methodist-style hat (maybe with maroon accents, those being the SA’s colors) and then place the SA’s insignia between the shield and the hat.
these are from Marco Foppoli:
http://www.marcofoppoli.com/images/lavori/t363.jpg http://www.marcofoppoli.com/images/lavori/t329.jpg http://www.marcofoppoli.com/images/lavori/t287.jpg http://www.marcofoppoli.com/images/lavori/t41.jpg
link: http://www.marcofoppoli.com/index.php?p=araldica_ecclesiastica
It’s just an idea… and probably a bad one…
Or just do your own thing based on the Salvation Army uniform.
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Kenneth Mansfield;98288 wrote:
Or just do your own thing based on the Salvation Army uniform.
The Geneva cap variation is nice. Is there a reason that you chose the red-yellow and red-white cords? IIRC, the Salvation Army’s uniforms are mostly blue with a bit of maroon.
