Seb Nelson suggested some 7 years back that we needed a roll of arms of the foreign nobles who came and helped with the American Revolution. Well, why limit it to foreign nobles? Here’s the beginning of a roll of arms of military and naval leaders in the American Revolution, American and allied.
http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Notable.Revolution
No, I haven’t forgotten Pulaski, Kosciuszko, von Steuben, de Kalb, et al. Just haven’t gotten to them yet.
(Sorry—Brits and their allies will just have to look to the Heraldry Society, the Heraldry Society of Scotland, and the German societies.)
Joe, this is a fantastic addition to our roll of arms. Thank you!
Wonderful!
Great idea and addition to the rolls, Joe.
Do you plan to display just half of Benedict Arnold’s arms?
Wait and see—I have a plan.
Rochambeau’s staff:
François Jean de Beauvoir, Chevalier (later Marquis) de Chastellux, 1734-1788
Wiki wrote:
a military officer who served during the War of American Independence as a major general in the French expeditionary forces led by general Comte de Rochambeau. Being on general Rochambeau’s staff for the duration of the war, Chastellux acted as the principal liaison officer between the French commander in chief and George Washington. However the Chevalier de Chastellux was also widely recognized, at the time of his campaigns in America, as a highly talented man of letters and a member of the French Academy.
The image on the title page of his book might allude to the crest of his coat of arms.
In French:
http://encyclo.voila.fr/wiki/Beauvoir-Chastellux
Blason de fr:Maison de Beauvoir-Chastellux. dessiné par Jimmy44 pour le Projet Blasons du Wikipédia francophone, avec Inkscape.
Source : Johannes Baptist Rietstap, Armorial général : contenant la description des armoiries des familles nobles et patriciennes de l’Europe : précédé d’un dictionnaire des termes du blason [archive], G.B. van Goor, 1861, 1171 p. , et ses Compléments sur www.euraldic.com - Blasonnement : D’azur, à la bande d’or, acc. de sept billettes du même, trois de chaque côté de la bande et la septième au canton senestre du chef
—Guy
arriano;97590 wrote:
Do you plan to display just half of Benedict Arnold’s arms?
See what you think.
http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Notable.Revolution
The quartering in the arms of Lord Stirling is not for MacDonald but that of "Clan Allaster".
Quote:
SIR JAMES BALFOUR, LYON KING AT ARMES. 1632.
March 15.
[CHARLES R.]
Trustie, &c. We haue bene latelie pleased to confer vpon our right, &c. Sir
WILLIAM ALEXANDER knyt our principall Secretarie for Scotland the title of
VISCOUNT STIRLING as ane degrie of honour which we have estemed due to his
merite And to the effect ther be nothing wanting which is vsuall in this kynd
that this our favour and the remembrance of his good and faythfull services
done vnto ws may be in record Our pleasur is and We doe heirby requyre yow
according to the dewtie of your place to marshall his Coate Armour alloweing
it to him quartered with the Armes of Clan Allaster who hath acknowledged
him for cheiff of ther familie, in whois armes according to the draught which we
send yow heirwith, quartered with his coat, We ar willing to confirme them
Requyreing yow to Register them accordinglie ; and we doe further allow to
the said Viscount Stirling the armes of the countrie of New Scotland in ane
inscutschione as in a badge of his endeavours in the interprysing of the work
of that plantation which doe tend so much to our honour and the henefite of
our subjects of that our kingdome : and with all to fitt his said Coat with a con
venient crest and supporters such as may be acceptable vnto him ; ffor doeing
whairof, and for registring of this warrand and his Coat in your registers for that
purpois, or for drawing such farther warrant as shalbe requisit, these presents
shalbe your warrant. Newmerket, 15 March 1632.
Lyon somewhat dragged his feet (no evidence has since been found of the MacDonald/Clan Allaster connection) and had to be told twice. Note that not only was this the case, the king actually specified what the Clan Allaster were to be.
James
James,
Thanks very much. Michael McCartney had written me the same thing offline; I’ll make the correction.
Joseph McMillan;97595 wrote:
See what you think.
http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Notable.Revolution
Well, from the right side of the pond, I found it easier just to turn the whole screen of my laptop upside down and then all was well again with the world :D. This is however where iPads fail.
Derek Howard;97603 wrote:
Well, from the right side of the pond, I found it easier just to turn the whole screen of my laptop upside down and then all was well again with the world :D. This is however where iPads fail.
Derek
You may know this, but perhaps others don’t. When Cornwallis supposedly asked that Yankee Doodle not be played at the surrender at Yorktown, the Americans obliged.
Instead they played "The World Turned Upside Down."
Here is another candidate for your list: Don José de Solano y Bote, first Marques del Socorro (1726-1806). He commanded a fleet of fifteen warships and seven frigates during the seige of Pensacola. According to Ampelio Alonso de Cadenas y López, Solano’s arms were “en campo de azur, un sol figurado, de oro. Bordura de gules con ocho cabezas de sierpe, al natural” (Títulos nobiliarios españoles vinculados con Hispanoamérica y su heráldica, Hidalguía, 1997, volume 45, number 261, page 267).
http://24.media.tumblr.com/94ec24c7b71e3b79df2d09cc99fdb33f/tumblr_mic9ovzAZ41rq2fm7o1_250.jpg
Joe, I confess I can’t decide whether your treatment of Arnold’s arms is in earnest. Far be it for me to tell Americans how to deal with their traitors, but the inversion of his arms and exclusion of his name comes across (to me, anyway) as mildly petulant.
It mars an otherwise straightforward and useful survey of American historical armorial usage, and rather jars one’s eye when scrolling the list, causing the reader to pause and deduce the identity of the bearer - perhaps even giving more thought to Arnold than you think him worth. Surely a disclaimer or an asterisk and note would have sufficed to explain his inclusion in the list?
Then again, perhaps I’ve completely misinterpreted your intention, or worse, missed a joke.
Ben ended with, "Then again, perhaps I’ve completely misinterpreted your intention, or worse, missed a joke."
I can’t speak for Joe, but I’d say you didn’t miss it, you were just a little late in getting it
I can just imagine the Royal Canadian Heraldry Society compiling a role of early North American arms with a goodly share of those from the 13 southern colonies looking like gothic church windows…