Rest in peace, Lady Thatcher

 
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08 April 2013 10:01
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08 April 2013 10:23
 

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Oct-2010/104792-THATCHER-2.JPG

I always liked this version which was done after she was made a Dame of the Garter. The heater shaped shield is used instead of a lozenge and the small inescutcheon Argent indicates these are her own grant.

 
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08 April 2013 10:35
 

I’ve been unable to locate an image of her husband’s arms.  Can anyone provide assistance?

 
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08 April 2013 10:57
 

I didnt think he was armigerous, hence the voided shield on her arms.

 
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08 April 2013 11:16
 

Mark Olivo;98370 wrote:

I didnt think he was armigerous, hence the voided shield on her arms.


See here:

 

http://www.heraldica.org/topics/thatcher.htm

 

As a Baronet surely he had arms…

 
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08 April 2013 11:24
 

David Pope;98371 wrote:

As a Baronet surely he had arms…


Not necessarily.  Although the Telegraph article suggests that he did, it’s hardly mandatory.

 
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08 April 2013 11:39
 

I performed a quick search but found nothing, but I bet someone here can answer that question definitively.

Margaret Thatcher is something of a political Rorschach test; the online responses to her passing reveal a great deal about the person writing.

For myself, I will say that the Iron Lady was an undeniably great woman and a clear-sighted leader who was guided by right and rational principles.

They just don’t make ‘em like that anymore.

 
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08 April 2013 11:56
 

Mark Olivo;98373 wrote:

For myself, I will say that the Iron Lady was ... guided by right and rational principles.


Except when she wasn’t. wink

 
 
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08 April 2013 14:16
 

David Pope;98378 wrote:

I think I’ve found them, myself, although it would be neat to know the tinctures:

http://www.nationmaster.com/wikimir/images/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/THATCHERBT.jpg

I don’t have the formal blazon to hand, but the field is Gules, the chief is Azure, the chevronels and mural crown are Or, and the crosses and fleurs de lis are Argent.

I wonder if Lady and Sir Denis Thatcher’s children quarter the two arms, as they’re entitled to do, or simply use their paternal arms.

 
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08 April 2013 14:42
 

Arthur Radburn;98379 wrote:

I don’t have the formal blazon to hand, but the field is Gules, the chief is Azure, the chevronels and mural crown are Or, and the crosses and fleurs de lis are Argent.

I wonder if Lady and Sir Denis Thatcher’s children quarter the two arms, as they’re entitled to do, or simply use their paternal arms.


Thanks, Arthur. Quick coloring in PhotoShop:

 

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5960/thatcherdenisbt.png

 
 
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08 April 2013 14:55
 

Thanks to all.

 
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08 April 2013 15:19
 

Arthur Radburn;98379 wrote:

I wonder if Lady and Sir Denis Thatcher’s children quarter the two arms, as they’re entitled to do, or simply use their paternal arms.

This would suggest that Sir Mark does not.

http://www.historymania.com/american_history/Mark_Thatcher

 
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11 April 2013 04:24
 

Now that Baroness Thatcher has died both her children could quarter her arms with those of Thatcher as Baroness Thatcher was a grantee in her own right if they so wished.

John

 
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11 April 2013 09:22
 

liongam;98426 wrote:

Now that Baroness Thatcher has died both her children could quarter her arms with those of Thatcher as Baroness Thatcher was a grantee in her own right if they so wished.

Did they have to wait until her death to do so?  I would have thought that the quartering would have been sufficient difference to allow them to use such during her lifetime.

 
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11 April 2013 10:45
 

steven harris;98432 wrote:

Did they have to wait until her death to do so?

Until 1997, probably yes.  Since 1997, no—the College of Arms’ new rules for The Arms of Women specifically allow the children of heraldic heiresses and female grantees to quarter their maternal arms while the mother is still living.