Hello All,
Would anyone here be interested in helping me define the tincture of the attached arms?
Thanks!
Joe
Argent on a bend Gules seven lozenges conjoined Argent.
or
Argent a bend lozengy Gules and Argent.
Or are you trying to determine a tincture for the crest?
(The sprouting stump is generally blazoned as "proper.")
David
Thanks David - good to hear from you again.
I have recently completely a new carving of the Winslow COA, based in part on your report a few years ago.
Yes, I will be applying color to the crest which will include the sprouting stump. I presume "proper" means actual colors as found in nature?
Does the mantling also reflect the same?
I have a bronze and silver version - will send pictures. They came out very nicely.
Joe
Joe,
Agree with David on the blazon of the picture, but thought your arms (New England Winslows, right?) were with gold lozenges. Why the change to Argent, or am I missing something?
Just guessing, but I assume that the argent lozenge version (if not just an error in the depiction on the linked website) may have been historical arms for some other Winslow family - unrelated, or perhaps only tentatively related but not proven; and the gold lozenge version in Joe W’s arms were essentially a distinction applied by the College of Arms in the Honouraty (IIRC) grant to Joe’s father/grandfather. (These Honourary arms are, again IIRC, shown in one of Carl von Volborth’s books.)
In any case, very nice arms - simple, distinctive, easy to recognize in small scale or at a distance.
Did Joe’s father/grandfather have an honorary grant? The version with gold lozenges goes back to at least the Gore Roll of Arms.
Hopefully Joe W will answer Joe McM’s queation—I’m reasonably sure these are the same arms that I saw years ago in one of Carl von Volborth’s books, but nowadays my memory & a nickle are worth five pennies…
Michael F. McCartney;101037 wrote:
Hopefully Joe W will answer Joe McM’s queation—I’m reasonably sure these are the same arms that I saw years ago in one of Carl von Volborth’s books, but nowadays my memory & a nickle are worth five pennies…
Mike,
Right cabinet, wrong drawer, I think.
Volborth’s little book Heraldry of the World has the arms of Lorenzo Simmons Winslow of Washington, DC, an honorary grant by the English kings of arms, but they are Argent on a bend between two crowns Gules seven lozenges conjoined Or.
Hello All,
Thanks for patience on the reply - I’ve been away.
What I’m trying to do is simply honor the different variations of historic Winslow COAs in a version that does justice to their history. We are direct, verified descendents of Benjamin Winslow Sr. and are working it past him at this point. We need to make the leap to Droitwich. Our thoughts right now are that we are perhaps cousins of Edward Winslow and came over slightly later.
I don’t know if the College arms is a grant to a direct relative. The Volborth arms are nice but that chap is not in our direct line.
Attached is a pic of the carving - it’s 10" x 13". This is a patina’d version; I’m producing a color one now.
Joe
Joe - thanks for correcting my goof.
other Joe—nice carving!
Thanks for the help everyone -
I’ve posted an initial rendition here if you know of anyone who’s interested. We have 10 of these in stock now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=301039940225
Have a great night all.
Joe123;100999 wrote:
Yes, I will be applying color to the crest which will include the sprouting stump. I presume "proper" means actual colors as found in nature?
Does the mantling also reflect the same?
Hi, Joe!
Yes, the stump "proper" should be the colors as found in nature (or something very close to it).
The mantling should be the same colors as the torse/wreath on which the stump sits; that is to say, red on the outside and white on the inside.
That’s a very nice carving of the arms; as a Winslow descendant (through John, Governor Edward’s brother), I have to admit to being seriously tempted to buy one of them! You may be seeing an order from be before very long.
David