Sara Carroll Kloczko

 
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01 February 2015 21:40
 

I’m working on a draft of arms for my fiancée, Sara Carroll Kloczko.

http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1402&stc=1&d=1422844390


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Per chevron Vert and Argent. Two lions rampant combatant of the second and three crows Sable.


Sara’s family has an interesting naming tradition in her family. Her grandfather’s surname Carroll is passed down as a middle name for everyone. The lions combatant are a reference to the many Carroll arms in existence. Her mother has even been using the Sable with lions supporting a sword Or ... but there’s no way to know for sure if their is an ancestral link.

 

I chose Argent for the lions in honor of Sara’s pet white cat, Emmett. Emmett is highly regarded in our household, despite his behavior at times. It is not much of an overstatement rendering him as a lion. He’s a huge cat with a tendency to use his teeth to get what he wants.

 

Sara’s father has been using crows as a personal, non-heraldic emblem. His real estate business is even called "Three Crows" and he sports a crow tattoo.

 
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01 February 2015 21:53
 

Looks very nice. I like the rationale.

 
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02 February 2015 03:52
 

Ditto Mark, though without the family symbolism the three crows would be a bit busy.

I’m trying to picture how yours & hers will look impaled, assuming you might use that widespread form of connubial marshaling - the space for the crows would seem to require a rather fat shield shape. Or you could opt for the less common but equally appropriate approach of two shields side by side, erect or accollee (sp?), which avoids any need to squeeze or stretch either shield.

 

Oh - almost forgot - congratulations!

 
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02 February 2015 08:30
 

Michael F. McCartney;103476 wrote:

Ditto Mark, though without the family symbolism the three crows would be a bit busy.

I’m trying to picture how yours & hers will look impaled, assuming you might use that widespread form of connubial marshaling - the space for the crows would seem to require a rather fat shield shape. Or you could opt for the less common but equally appropriate approach of two shields side by side, erect or accollee (sp?), which avoids any need to squeeze or stretch either shield.

 

Oh - almost forgot - congratulations!


Thank you! Yes - I don’t anticipate marshalling the shields together. And if I do, I’m fond of the ancient style of splitting the shields half as opposed to squeezing a whole shield onto one half of one. Most likely we will render the arms side by side in separate shields.

 

I agree my rendition does make the crows a bit crowded, However I’ve seen many more birds in yet smaller spaces in heraldry done well. Specifically, I’m thinking of the arms of Université Laval in Quebec City.

 
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02 February 2015 09:53
 

I rather like the flock of crows, and the allusions to Carroll and to Emmett the lion.  Very nicely done.

 
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02 February 2015 19:56
 

Standing alone, both coats are quite nice if the three crows aren’t too crowded.  Impaled, not so much, though there are likely some artists who could make it work.

Splitting the two shields - slice and splice - works well for some arms, but poorly for many others.  E.g. it works well for semee patterns (France ancient, or our members with shields semee of nails or bees, or others symmetrical along a palar axis, such as a fess (Austria or Penn),where the visual image is essentially the same split or impaled.  It is not bad with three identical charges 2 & 1 (France modern), and passably OK with a cross like yours where the mind’s eye can assume symmetry.

 

But with non-symmetrical designs (e.g. Chaucer - per pale a bend counterchanged; or two non-identical charges in dexter and sinister) splitting the shield destroys the essence of the design.  And even with your nicely symmetrical per chevron, or any chevron, splitting the shield leaves the viewer unsure if the original was a bend or per bend, vs a chevron or per chevron.  That’s why splitting and splicing fell out of favor and impalement became the norm.

 
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04 February 2015 19:05
 

I like it. You could give the charges more room by widening out the lozenge, but once you marry I don’t think the crows will prove that much of a difficulty to fit.

 
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