The Bavarian State Library (Bayerische Staatsbibliothek) is digitalising its medieval armorials.
Here are some nice armorials:
Scheibler’sches Wappenbuch - 1450 and later.
http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00007174/images/
Ortenburger Wappenbuch - 1466-1473.
http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00001755/images/
Bruderschaftsbuch des jülich-bergischen Hubertusordens - around 1480.
http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00006309/images/
Anton Tirol’s Wappenbuch - End of the 15th C. and later.
http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00001649/images/
Livre du toison d’or - End of the 16th. C.
http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00001351/images/
Enjoy,
Klaas Padberg Evenboer
these are all beautiful books, the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek is to be commended for the digitalisation.
dank je voor deze links Klaas (thank you for these links)
emrys wrote:
these are all beautiful books, the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek is to be commended for the digitalisation.
dank je voor deze links Klaas (thank you for these links)
I agree, those are very cool…
does anyone know what THIS crest is supposed to be? I think the saltier is made of drawknives but I’m not sure about the rest
ESmith wrote:
I agree, those are very cool…
does anyone know what THIS crest is supposed to be? I think the saltier is made of drawknives but I’m not sure about the rest
The thing in the middle looks to be a sword blade, i think. The four rounded things sticking up look like feathers
it is supposed to be a fleur de lys
emrys wrote:
it is supposed to be a fleur de lys
Exactly!
I was just looking at those same ‘‘fleur de lys" in the Gruenenberg Armorial, when this question popped up. You can also see those in Armorial Gelre.
emrys wrote:
it is supposed to be a fleur de lys
I agree that this one is more recognizable… but it is still an odd looking fleur de lys.
Are the two arms on this page the same person? They have the same crest and as far as I can tell the captions read something like:
"the excellent Prince, Lord Fernande Prince of Castile, King of Sicily" and
"the excellent Price, King Fernande King of Naples and Sicily"
If they aren’t the same person they are both competing for the throne of Sicily…
ESmith wrote:
Are the two arms on this page the same person? Sicily
No they are not the same person. One is Ferdinand V of Aragon, King of Aragon and Sicily (1452-1516) and the other is Ferdinand I of Aragon, Duke of Calabria, King of Naples (called of Sicily), titular King of Jerusalem and Hungary (1431-1494).
emrys wrote:
it is supposed to be a fleur de lys
Or more exactly a fleur-de-lys crest that appears as a full fleur-de-lys from four directions. I suppose a cross crest could also be rendered successfully in this manner. If one really wants the crest to appear exactly the same from all directions it would be better to choose a tower or tree (as I have) for a crest.
David Pritchard wrote:
Or more exactly a fleur-de-lys crest that appears as a full fleur-de-lys from four directions.
That’s a good observation. Described correctly this is a three-dimensional fleur-de-lys.
Padberg Evenboer wrote:
That’s a good observation. Described correctly this is a three-dimensional fleur-de-lys.
But is it so to be blazoned? I think this is how a fleur-de-lys should be modelled as if it is modelled as essentially two-dimensional it would not be visible on the helmet from some angles.
Does anyone know the identity of the order around these arms: http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00006309/images/index.html?id=00006309&fip=141.219.44.46&no=3&seite=23 ?
this is a guess but as it is the bruderschaftsbuch de julich-bergischen hubertensordens, and the fact that there is a stag with something between his pointers and a man on the pendant, I think it should be the Hubertensordens.
http://www.int-st-hubertus-orden.de/assets/images/gruenenbgx.jpg
this is picture of the website of the order. My guess was right see this website
http://www.int-st-hubertus-orden.de/html/hubertusorden_1.html#gruenbg
If part of the axle is attached to a wheel as at http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00001755/images/index.html?id=00001755&fip=141.219.44.44&no=10&seite=201 is anyone aware of a usual way to approach the blazon?
Does anyone know a name of THIS line of division? It looks a little like nebuly… maybe nebuly-counter nebuly?
