New Design Questionaire

 
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15 September 2009 13:44
 

There used to be a questionaire that circulated on the forum to aid folks in the design of their arms. My search of the forum is coming up empty. Anyone have a copy of that that they could repost?

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15 September 2009 14:05
 

This was discussed earlier in this section of the forum.

http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4426

 
 
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15 September 2009 14:24
 

Thank you… i guess my search criteria was a bit off because i couldn’t find it.

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15 September 2009 16:48
 

IMO the best way to get someone to think about real heraldry is to show them LOTS of different designs, and tell them to narrow it down to 4-5 arms that are appealing. But I guess I tend to see things first and foremost graphically and only secondarily as symbolic.

 
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16 September 2009 01:37
 

John-

I tend to do that as well, but it really comes down to the fact that, if you use extremely crappy graphics…even on a well designed arms, it’s still going to look bad.

 
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16 September 2009 06:32
 

AILD;71886 wrote:

John-

I tend to do that as well, but it really comes down to the fact that, if you use extremely crappy graphics…even on a well designed arms, it’s still going to look bad.


I’m not so sure. . . . I’d say that once a person can look past a particular emblazonment to see the heraldic design, they will have a good appreciation of heraldry. One of my favorite books is Fosters’ dictionary of Heraldry - it’s a collection of early English arms. The graphics are, to put it kindly, primitive. But it’s still a fantastic book.

 
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16 September 2009 10:04
 

Probably true to a certain extent…especially if you did an arms like Kenneth has, which has pretty basic shapes that’d make it hard to mess up haha.  But to a certain extent, doing an arms with poor graphics is still going to make it lose quite an edge.

 
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16 September 2009 10:22
 

I agree that a great artist can make even the most mundane shield look stunning but, even a poorly sketched, black & white coat of arms can be appreciated by a heraldic enthusiast.

It’s kind of like pizza, even if it’s cold or not great, you still enjoy it.

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16 September 2009 12:35
 

kimon;71896 wrote:

I agree that a great artist can make even the most mundane shield look stunning but, even a poorly sketched, black & white coat of arms can be appreciated by a heraldic enthusiast.

It’s kind of like pizza, even if it’s cold or not great, you still enjoy it.

smile

 
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16 September 2009 12:48
 

I definately think seeing different examples of arms is helpful. I also have recommended that people check out the U.S. Heraldic Registry to read the design rationales. It allows people to connect the images with meaning and understand how heraldry is a different take on story telling.

 
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16 September 2009 13:04
 

DRShorey;71899 wrote:

I definately think seeing different examples of arms is helpful. I also have recommended that people check out the U.S. Heraldic Registry to read the design rationales. It allows people to connect the images with meaning and understand how heraldry is a different take on story telling.


Part of what helped me was looking through the roll of early American arms here on the site…and I also looked at a couple bucket sites that just had pages and pages of arms.  Getting ideas is about all those sites are good for wink

 

I agree about the pizza analogy though, very nice :cool:

 
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16 September 2009 13:27
 

John Mck;71898 wrote:

Pizza: even when it’s bad, it’s still pretty good :D