Proper Translation?

 
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27 July 2010 17:02
 

Short and sweet question for you guys.

Is this:


Quote:

Sapientia Donum Dei


The proper translation for this:


Quote:

Wisdom is the gift of God

 

 
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29 July 2010 10:43
 

Nobody?  If nobody knows this personally, where would be the best place for me to find out this information?

 
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29 July 2010 10:58
 

The Latin professor at a nearby college or university? I corresponded with a professor emeritus of Greek and Latin classics to figure out how to say what I wanted correctly. As Joe McMillan often, and correctly, points out, though, it really isn’t necessary to put mottoes in Latin. I wanted mine in Latin because the translated Latin is a sort of homage to some Mansfield and clan chief mottoes that also use variations of Fortiter. Given the religious nature of yours, might it be more meaningful for people to know what it means when they read it rather than when it is translated for them?

 
 
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29 July 2010 12:01
 

Kenneth Mansfield;78002 wrote:

As Joe McMillan often, and correctly, points out, though, it really isn’t necessary to put mottoes in Latin. I wanted mine in Latin because the translated Latin is a sort of homage to some Mansfield and clan chief mottoes that also use variations of Fortiter.


Which I think is an adequate reason.  Mine’s in Latin because its a quotation, which is another reason, but I’ve been thinking about swapping it for a Gaelic motto to answer the MacMillan chief’s secondary motto.

 
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29 July 2010 12:14
 

Joseph McMillan;78006 wrote:

...but I’ve been thinking about swapping it for a Gaelic motto to answer the MacMillan chief’s secondary motto.

But why not answer his secondary motto with your own secondary motto?

 
 
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29 July 2010 12:42
 

Sapientia donum Dei

 
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29 July 2010 12:56
 

I tend to like putting things in other languages, because I have a certain love for different languages.  Which, was part of my reasoning.  Latin just seemed like the logical choice since it seems to be the language that gets used for mottos often times.  Perhaps selecting a more meaningful language to me would be a better idea.  I like the fact that a person has to ask me what the motto means, because then it gives me a better opportunity to explain it to them.  Otherwise if it’s just in English, they read it, blow it off, and move to the next thing.

 
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29 July 2010 12:59
 

Kenneth Mansfield;78007 wrote:

But why not answer his secondary motto with your own secondary motto?


Bias against accretion of doodads, I guess.

 
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29 July 2010 13:44
 

Sapientia Donum Dei =  Wisdom is the gift of God

Yes, this is correct. Since Latin does not express indefinite or definite articles, it may also be translated as a gift of God. You may also want to place "Dei" before "donum" since customarily the genitive preceeds its accompanying noun, but this is just stylistic and doesn’t affect the meaning.

 
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29 July 2010 13:59
 

Thanks Daniel smile

 
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30 July 2010 00:34
 

sorry Joshua, i’m not a good Latin man though i prefer it in my mass every Sunday. couldn’t help ya sorry.

 
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30 July 2010 00:44
 

Must not get a lot out of mass if you have trouble even understanding it wink

 
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30 July 2010 07:56
 

AILD;78031 wrote:

Must not get a lot out of mass if you have trouble even understanding it wink


As a non-Catholic, I would only observe that, to a Catholic, the value of attending Mass has little if anything to do with understanding the language in which it is said, and that therefore this is not a safe subject for joking.  In any case, it takes us onto ground that is strewn with landmines, and we ought to tread carefully back onto the heraldic path.

 
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30 July 2010 09:30
 

Agreed, it was just an observation.