Thank you, Jared and Michael.
Next week is her birthday and her junior high promotion ceremony. One of her friends who lives down the street asked her if she was going to be home the first few days of vacation or spending some time at her grandmother’s. This girl loses her phone privileges frequently for getting poor grades, and complained that she probably wouldn’t be able to text for a while. Jordan told her to look for the banner ("... zig-zaggy with a little yellow flower."). If it was flying, she was home that week.
Identification .... what it’s all about. 
Joseph Staub;93750 wrote:
My concern there is that someone would imagine the rose goes at the top of the arms, above the stripe.
I can understand your concern, but given that the rose is a metal, I think any reasonable heraldist would put it where you have. Then again, reasonable heraldists are a dying breed.
I suspect Ms. Staub would quickly correct anyone silly enough to place "her rose" incorrectly.
Kenneth Mansfield;93836 wrote:
I can understand your concern, but given that the rose is a metal, I think any reasonable heraldist would put it where you have. Then again, reasonable heraldists are a dying breed.
May I respectfully disagree here. It seems that from time to time, medieval brisures were intendedly made of colour upon colour or (much less frequently AFAIK) of metal upon metal, to stress that they are additions, not the initial integral parts of the composition. This practice was more or less inherited by modern heraldry (let us recall the Angevine inescutcheon of the arms of Spain, for example). So, I would rather blazon the position of the rose.
Michael Y. Medvedev;93897 wrote:
May I respectfully disagree here. It seems that from time to time, medieval brisures were intendedly made of colour upon colour or (much less frequently AFAIK) of metal upon metal, to stress that they are additions, not the initial integral parts of the composition. This practice was more or less inherited by modern heraldry (let us recall the Angevine inescutcheon of the arms of Spain, for example). So, I would rather blazon the position of the rose.
A fair point, Michael. And one I had not considered.
Brevity of blazon is nice, but clarity is paramount.
(Dittos to the compliments above)
Joseph Staub;93757 wrote:
No connection to Estonia, though I like their flag.
Probably for the same reason that I seem to like the tricolor flag shared by Extremadura (Spain) and Putumayo (Columbia)
As far as Estonia is concerned, I like the tricolor just fine, but I think that the proposed Nordic/Scandinavian Cross variants is better.
steven harris;94011 wrote:
As far as Estonia is concerned, I like the tricolor just fine, but I think that the proposed Nordic/Scandinavian Cross variants is better.
Except that Estonia is neither Scandinavian nor Nordic.
Joseph McMillan;94013 wrote:
Except that Estonia is neither Scandinavian nor Nordic.
....yes, but they belong to the Finnic people.
Joseph McMillan;94013 wrote:
Except that Estonia is neither Scandinavian nor Nordic.
The inherent weirdness of Estonia’s post-Russian position in Europe’s regions is proven by the fact it’s usually identified as a "Baltic" nation along with Latvia and Lithuania. In geographic terms "Baltic" should include the Russians, Germans, Poles, Danes, Swedes, and Finns as well. But nobody ever refers to the Swedes as most prosperous Baltic state.
Putting those exact three states in the same region with nobody else doesn’t make cultural sense. Estonian and Finnish are probably more closely related then the German dialects, but neither has any relationship to the Baltic languages of Latvia and Lithuania. As an economic region it makes sense, even if the name is silly. Politically it makes sense to some extent, but even then Finland should be in there.
What’s happened is pretty simple: the Russians don’t particularly want any post-Soviet states to leave their strategic sphere-of-interest, which means any regional designation that adds Finland to the Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania bloc either reduces Finland’s ability to defy Russia (by adding it to the Russian sphere) or forces the Russians to take stern action because it increases Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania’s ability to defy Russia.
All three Baltic states would probably jump at the chance to become officially Nordic, but the Russians have already tried to freeze Ukraine to death by cutting off natural gas supplies, and destroy the Lithuanian economy with internet hacks; so they don’t dare actually do it.
Nick
Those pesky Russians
Joseph McMillan;94013 wrote:
Except that Estonia is neither Scandinavian nor Nordic.
Not too loudly, my friend, they might hear you…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia#Estonia_as_a_Nordic_country
Joseph McMillan;94013 wrote:
Except that Estonia is neither Scandinavian nor Nordic.
I would be interested to learn how you would qualify that statement.
steven harris;94021 wrote:
Not too loudly, my friend, they might hear you…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia#Estonia_as_a_Nordic_country
Ooooo….not only Wikipedia, but "Citation_needed."
But to give you another Wikipedia reference: "The Nordic countries make up a region in Northern Europe and the North Atlantic which consists of Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden and their associated territories." These also happen to be the five members of the Nordic Council.
If speaking a Finno-Ugric language makes a country Nordic, then we’ll have to design a "Nordic"-style flag for Hungary as well.
