First class work, Daniel.  Fr. Kneib’s arms look strangely familiar.

Steven wrote, "For the Jaskierny arms, I do not think that the orientation of the fleurs follow the bordure - all eight should be "pale-wise" as it were."

If the blazon is controlling, I would agree with Steven that the emblazonment should be modified to conform to the blazon—i.e. each f-d-l erect (pale-wise) which is the "default" unless specified otherwise.

However, I suspect that in this case, the arms were designed first & the blazon is merely an after-the-fact description, which needs to be modified to correctly describe the arms as drawn.  Unfortunately I don’t know what the proper term(s) should be used, but perhaps SKS can supply my defect.

Should others in Fr. J’s family (parents, siblings &nephews, or especially cousins at some remove) wish to adopt these arms for their secular use, they could of course choose to modify or omit the border without doing damage to the strikingly elegant basic design of gyronny field & gyronny star.  Or not…

steven harris;95819 wrote:

All of them are beautiful arms and designs!

For the Jaskierny arms, I do not think that the orientation of the fleurs follow the bordure - all eight should be "pale-wise" as it were.

"Normally" for a charged border, if not otherwise specified, the charges should be oriented to follow the contour of the shield, however, palewise erect in base and in chief across the top.

The odd issue then is the orientation of the border charges which occur in chief as they are fesswise, and this is not specifically mentioned in the blazon but perhaps should be.

Thank you for all your kind comments. I also appreciate your help with the blazons.

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First class work, Daniel. Fr. Kneib’s arms look strangely familiar.

Believe it or not, neither of us was thinking about Fr. Guy’s arms when we arrived at this.

Regarding the fleur-de-lis on the bordure, I think I’ll just leave the blazon as is and ascribe the orientation of the fleur-de-lis to artist license. The bordure literally was an afterthought when the client was reviewing the design, and I don’t want to make the blazon too complicated.

As a newbie I have a question. For the design for Fr. J. Jaskierny - Gyronny Argent and Gules, a mullet of eight points counterchanged Vert and Argent,

a bordure Azure charged with eight fleur-de-lis Or. How would one know to angle the top two and bottom fluer de lis as opposed to rendering all palewise?

Hollywood asked, "...a bordure Azure charged with eight fleur-de-lis Or. How would one know to angle the top two and bottom fluer de lis as opposed to rendering all palewise?"

That’s the concern discussed earlier—one wouldn’t unless the blazon were modified (or alternatively, the old dodge "...as is more clearly shewn in the margin… )

I should have worded question differently…any ideas on how it would be blazoned?

The two in base following the slight curve is not too unusual. That would not necessarily have to be blazoned in my opinion. I guess the blazon would be "charged with 8 f-d-l Or the two in chief fesswise tops to center" or something along those line.

I should have put would in italics

Michael F. McCartney;95859 wrote:

Hollywood asked, "...a bordure Azure charged with eight fleur-de-lis Or. How would one know to angle the top two and bottom fluer de lis as opposed to rendering all palewise?"

That’s the concern discussed earlier—one wouldn’t unless the blazon were modified (or alternatively, the old dodge "...as is more clearly shewn in the margin… )

I should have put would in italics

thanks gentlmen

Dcgb7f;95854 wrote:

Regarding the fleur-de-lis on the bordure, I think I’ll just leave the blazon as is and ascribe the orientation of the fleur-de-lis to artist license. The bordure literally was an afterthought when the client was reviewing the design, and I don’t want to make the blazon too complicated.

I agree with you that this is the best solution Daniel.

Lovely work, Daniel. What software do you use?

Liam

Any old vector software will do. Some of these were with Paintshop Pro 7 and the others were with Microsoft Expression Design.

Any old software may do you, Daniel, but your work is among the best of the digital examples I have seen! Do you take commissions? Liam