Kenneth Mansfield;96066 wrote:
No, Kathy. That’s not it. I think it may be as simple as this: If you do a Google image search for "chevronels braced", this is one of the first you see.
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Oh no way…well thats off the table…back to the drawling board.
Ah, well - Not knowing the chevronels braced thingy (amateur that I am) I just thought it was a bit of your rapier wit, Kenneth!
While at staff meeting and in class, this is what was on my mind. lol See the link.
I wouldn’t be so quick dropping it. How about the field metal (white or gold) and the charges in colors (e.g. the chevrons blue & the orle red, or vice-versa)?
I don’t see that as infringing in any real way on the SCA arms that Ken found (a very nice design!)—the differences should IMO be quite sufficient to avoid any perceived infringement.
Neither three chevrons braced, nor an orle, are "new" charges by any means; nor is the practice of combining old charges. The SCA member very nicely combined them, along with three other small charges, in one color scheme; others (i.e. you) should be free to also combine them—especially without the extra small charges—in a quite different color scheme.
My opinion of course.
Michael F. McCartney;96119 wrote:
I wouldn’t be so quick dropping it. How about the field metal (white or gold) and the charges in colors (e.g. the chevrons blue & the orle red, or vice-versa)?
I don’t see that as infringing in any real way on the SCA arms that Ken found (a very nice design!)—the differences should IMO be quite sufficient to avoid any perceived infringement.
Neither three chevrons braced, nor an orle, are "new" charges by any means; nor is the practice of combining old charges. The SCA member very nicely combined them, along with three other small charges, in one color scheme; others (i.e. you) should be free to also combine them—especially without the extra small charges—in a quite different color scheme.
My opinion of course.
Were you reading my mined. A day or two after the sad news I played around with the colors and made this. I like it, it just feels that needs to be more. But less is more too. I just feel something isn’t right yet with it.
I think that is a very attractive coat of arms. The three easiest and IMO best ways of adding something additional would be as follows.
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Am I remembering correctly that there were some scales in some of your doodling?
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Kenneth Mansfield;96138 wrote:
I think that is a very attractive coat of arms. The three easiest and IMO best ways of adding something additional would be as follows.
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I think any of these risks being very cluttered. For 1 or 2, the somethings would have to be so small as to be indistinguishable, and for 3 I think cutting off the orle at the chief looks awkward. Perhaps one could widen the orle and charge it with three of something at the corners and base?
Joseph McMillan;96140 wrote:
I think any of these risks being very cluttered. For 1 or 2, the somethings would have to be so small as to be indistinguishable, and for 3 I think cutting off the orle at the chief looks awkward. Perhaps one could widen the orle and charge it with three of something at the corners and base?
I think it depends greatly on what one might choose for charges and what color they are, but, yes, it does certainly lend itself to clutter. I’m not sure you can enlarge the orle enough, though, to allow for charges in any larger space than where I’ve placed the numbers, so there again good design would depend greatly on the charge.
Instead of adding a chief, perhaps add a hurt overall in chief? That is, a blue roundel actually layered over the orle?
What if you changed the Azure chevronels to Sable and had each one terminate in a heart? "black heart"
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Just to throw my two cents into the mix, I personally enjoy where the design is heading.
Snyder;96155 wrote:
Just to throw my two cents into the mix, I personally enjoy where the design is heading.
I agree. I really this new "chevron brased" design.
Michael F. McCartney;96119 wrote:
I wouldn’t be so quick dropping it. How about the field metal (white or gold) and the charges in colors (e.g. the chevrons blue & the orle red, or vice-versa)?
I don’t see that as infringing in any real way on the SCA arms that Ken found (a very nice design!)—the differences should IMO be quite sufficient to avoid any perceived infringement.
Neither three chevrons braced, nor an orle, are "new" charges by any means; nor is the practice of combining old charges. The SCA member very nicely combined them, along with three other small charges, in one color scheme; others (i.e. you) should be free to also combine them—especially without the extra small charges—in a quite different color scheme.
My opinion of course.
Regarding SCA arms: A few years ago I entertained the idea of participating in SCA activities (I never could quite get into it.) One thing I recall - and someone can correct me if I’m wrong - is that there’s a standing policy within the SCA that the registered arms for individual’s fictional personas cannot be one’s "real" arms. Meaning, I could not use my shield, as illustrated in my avatar and used in my "real" life, for use in SCA by my "persona." By extension, I think it’s safe to say SCA arms are intended for only SCA use - in which case I would not worry too much about having arms too close in style.
Jeremy Keith Hammond;96169 wrote:
Regarding SCA arms: A few years ago I entertained the idea of participating in SCA activities (I never could quite get into it.) One thing I recall - and someone can correct me if I’m wrong - is that there’s a standing policy within the SCA that the registered arms for individual’s fictional personas cannot be one’s "real" arms. Meaning, I could not use my shield, as illustrated in my avatar and used in my "real" life, for use in SCA by my "persona." By extension, I think it’s safe to say SCA arms are intended for only SCA use - in which case I would not worry too much about having arms too close in style.
You are absolutely correct that SCA arms are not to be one’s real arms and they are not to be used in real life. However, I would use the same standards concerning the difference of SCA arms that I would use with any other jurisdiction, not due to authority but rather of decency. 
