Poll: Is there merrit to the design described in this post?
 

Yes, there is merrit to this design.

No, there is no way that the arms of Wessex will be combined with the arms of the Duke of Edinburgh.

Maybe, with some minor variations or alternatives.

It is pointless to speculate on such matters.

 

Prince Edward, The Earl of Wessex

 
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HRH Prince Edward, the Earl of Wessex (Wessex), in perhaps the not so distant future, is expected to be granted his father’s title of Duke of Edinburgh, keeping with the tradition that the sons of a monarch are titled as Royal Dukes.  I am aware that certain events have to take place before this can officially happen but I don’t want to go into that here.  I would like to focus on if/when the title of Duke of Edinburgh is granted to Wessex, what would that mean to his coat of arms?  I have made a prediction and I am describing it here for review and scrutiny.

Focusing on the shield of arms only at this time I propose that when Wessex is elevated to the Duke of Edinburgh the shield could be as follows:
In simple, non-heraldic terms, the current arms of the Earl of Wessex with an inescutcheon of the arms of the current Duke of Edinburgh.

Quarterly, 1st and 4th Gules three lions passant gardant in pale Or armed and langued Azure (for England), 2nd quarter Or a lion rampant within a double tressure flory-counter-flory Gules (for Scotland), 3rd quarter Azure a harp Or stringed Argent (for Ireland), with over all a label of three points Argent the central point charged with a Tudor rose, and on an inescutcheon quarterly, First Or, semée of hearts Gules, three lions passant in pale Azure (For Denmark), Second Azure, a cross Argent (For Greece), Third Argent, two pallets Sable (For Battenberg or Mountbatten), Fourth Argent, upon a rock Proper a castle triple towered Sable, masoned Argent, windows, port, turret-caps and vanes Gules (For Edinburgh).

By creating such an image, it accomplishes several things.  First, Wessex would maintain the royal arms of the UK as a son of a monarch; second, he would inherit and honor the arms and title of his father as is heraldic tradition and; third, create a new and lasting coat of arms for the male line descendants of the future Dukes of Edinburgh, namely James Windsor, Viscount Severn and his male line descendants, if any.

There is precedent for the use of an inescutcheon in UK royal heraldry namely the House of Hanover, the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and the current Prince of Wales.
Have I over stepped or is there entertainment and educational value in discussing these sorts of speculations?

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Welcome to the group, whoever you are (we are supposed to use our real names in the AHS).  On the substance, I seriously doubt that Edward’s arms will change when/if he becomes Duke of Edinburgh.  The precedents you mention are not relevant to Edward’s situation.  The marshalling of the arms of Hanover was because the kings who did this were actually reigning monarchs of Hanover as well as of Britain; Prince Albert’s arrangement was a one-off as a member of a foreign ruling house who married into the British royal family.  Similarly, the arms of the Prince of Wales are unique to that position. 

I think the precedent that will be applied for Edward, whether or not he becomes Duke of Edinburgh, will be the same as those well-established for other royal dukes—he will bear the royal arms with the appropriate label exactly as he does now, just as dozens of similarly positioned royal dukes have done for well over a century.

 
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Thank you Mr. McMillan for the comments.  My name is Craig Steepy and I did notice that members were using their real names. I even tried to edit my profile before I posted but I don’t yet have the necessary permissions to edit my own profile.  I will keep checking and make the correction once I have access.

To the primary subject, I understand your points regarding the House of Hanover and the Prince of Wales.  However, I see a lot similarities between Prince Phillip and Prince Albert.

- Both men were Prince Consorts to the Queen.
- Both men were hereditary princes of a foreign realm, Prince Phillip of Greece & Denmark (although he renounced his claims) and Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
- Both men will/did have the opportunity to pass their title down to a younger son, Prince Phillip to Prince Edward via a new hereditary grant from the then reigning monarch; and Prince Albert to Prince Alfred.

In the end, I believe you will be found to be correct, they will probably leave Prince Edwards arms as is, however, it would not surprise me if the Heralds tried to incorporate some level of symbolism into Prince Edward’s arms upon his elevation to a Duke.

 
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I too expect that Prince Edward’s arms will stay exactly the same.  The present Duke of Edinburgh’s arms are personal, not the arms of a duchy, and if they were to be transmitted to his children, then the Duke of York (Prince Andrew) and the Princess Royal (Princess Anne) would have as much claim to them as Prince Edward.

PS.  It’s great to see this forum open again!

 
 
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