Charles Glass;62565 wrote:

Lichères près Aigremont, France

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Let’s call the trees and acorns "proper" and consider the overall achievement as "busy."  However, it certainly is uniquie and I have to admit that I kind of like it.

Color violations or not, that’s a mess.

I agree with Kenneth.  It is very jumbled and odd looking.  In this case, I am glad it is unique!:lol:

Charles Glass;62565 wrote:

Lichères près Aigremont, France

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Let’s call the trees and acorns "proper" and consider the overall achievement as "busy."  However, it certainly is uniquie and I have to admit that I kind of like it.

While the Welsh flag will fly, according to some, at the entrance to Hell, these arms will appear on the gate.

Michael Swanson;62575 wrote:

While the Welsh flag will fly, according to some, at the entrance to Hell, these arms will appear on the gate.

It has been said by some, "Better to reign in Hell than serve as a slave in Heaven".  Personally, I think those who so excoriate the Welsh flag are only anxious to have friends waiting for them.

Of course, it’s all academic to me.  I’m Scottish, since 863 AD.  :D

But I do agree about the decorations on the Gates thereof.  (Unless, of course, the Lyon’s rules apply there!)

Biache-Saint-Vaast, France

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Wallachia, Romania

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those of wallachia could be defended as proper, and protected from the rule

xanderliptak;62770 wrote:

those of wallachia could be defended as proper, and protected from the rule

Oh well, one can say this about nearly all other arms shewn here!

Just back from vacation and trying to catch up on the Forum.

Though the French municipal arms shown on this thread would all be better if they had observed the tincture rule, I have to give them some credit for bold simplicity—dare I say, almost a Germanic/Scandinavian simplicity?

I would venture to guess that most if not all of the examples Charles is posting of French municipal arms that violate the rule of tincture are relatively recent designs by people who either don’t know or don’t care any better.  For Biache-St-Vaast, Ralf Hartemink’s "Heraldry of the World" site (formerly "International Civic Arms") has some comments provided one of his contributors:  "The red background symbolised the political colour of the city (as it was communist for a long time), the wheel symbolised the industries in the town and the water lily the many ponds in Biache."

I don’t think we can deduce anything from such an example about whether the rule of tincture applies in French heraldry, any more than we can deduce anything about the applicability of various heraldic rules elsewhere from similar amateur designs.

For what it’s worth:  Michel Pastoureau is probably the preeminent French heraldic scholar of our time, and he says (in Heraldry:  Its Origins and Meaning, pp. 46-47), "The basic rule is that colour may not be placed on a colour or a metal on a metal…. These fundamental rules have existed since the origin of arms and have almost always been respected—it is rare to find one per cent of infringements in a given body of arms."

Baños de Ebro, Spain

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How long have they had that shield?  I mean is it ancient, or post-Civil War?

Doug Welsh;63441 wrote:

How long have they had that shield?  I mean is it ancient, or post-Civil War?

Though I do not know the exact answer, I would venture to say that the bicephalus eagle represents the Spanish Hapsburgs (Holy Roman Emperors). If the coat-of-arms were created around the Spanish Civil War or later, the eagle would have one head and represent the Eagle of Saint John the Evangelist, the eagle favoured by the Falange Española of Generalissimo Franco.

David Pritchard;63444 wrote:

Though I do not know the exact answer, I would venture to say that the bicephalus eagle represents the Spanish Hapburgs (Holy Roman Emperors). If the coat-of-arms were created around the Spanish Civil War or later, the eagle would have one head and represent the Eagle of Saint John the Evangelist, the eagle favoured by the Falange Española of Generalissimo Franco.

Then, this shield is more likely to be an "ancient offense" against taste and tincture, rather than a "modern offense" against the same?

Doug Welsh;63445 wrote:

Then, this shield is more likely to be an "ancient offense" against taste and tincture, rather than a "modern offense" against the same?

Or, if it was old, the white paint may have turned blue with age.  Or a silver eagle may have tarnished and turned black.